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Did your vet tested their stools for Giardia? I've had the same problem with mine two, and it turned out to be Giardia. Tummy’s gurgling, smelly winds, butt baths few times a day, etc. The strange thing was that all of a sudden they would be ok for few days, and then get soft stools again. They were first put on antibiotics, it did help some but not totally, and then they got a Panacure for 5 days. They're doing great since. Just an idea to ask your vet about.

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Update and new question:
We have transitioned Charlie over to dry ID and he's doing fine. Stools are good consistency. Lucy on the other hand didn't have as much success changing over to the dry ID food. She again got loose and slimy stools when I started giving her dry ID.
She's been back on the canned only and again, stools are good.

Now my new questions:
1) Lucy didn't have all her premolars come in. are these teeth used for chewing? If she didn't have them to chew food, could the dry food be too big for her tummy to disolve and use nad then cause her diarrhea.
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Update and new question:
We have transitioned Charlie over to dry ID and he's doing fine. Stools are good consistency. Lucy on the other hand didn't have as much success changing over to the dry ID food. She again got loose and slimy stools when I started giving her dry ID.
She's been back on the canned only and again, stools are good.

Now my new questions:
1) Lucy didn't have all her premolars come in. are these teeth used for chewing? If she didn't have them to chew food, could the dry food be too big for her tummy to disolve and use nad then cause her diarrhea.
check with your vet , but dogs really don't chew their food.http://k9joy.com/RawFoodForDogs/Dige...temExcerpt.pdf She should be fine.

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Diann, Do you have a follow up appointment, you may need one. Dogs like people can heal at different rates, if Lucy is doing fine on the canned and not the kibble (dogs on kibble need to drink more water), is there a reason you can't keep her on it for awhile? Hopefully there tummys will heal soon and then you can put them back on a reg. diet.

As a suggestion, do you remember the food the breeder had them on? If not you might get in touch with the breeder and ask, because this may be a food you would be able to transition to in the future after you have success with a consistent and firm stool for a period of time. Tummy problems can take sometime to heal and each dog, like humans are different. I could be possible that Charlie transitions and heals quicker.

As for the teeth dogs don't really chew like we do, but they will mash/break up large pieces with their teeth to smaller pieces in order to swallow. It is ok to wet dry kibble to make it softer...but if Lucy is doing better on the canned, you might consider keeping just her on it while her tummy heals.

I no how it feels when our pups have a problem and we can't just fix it fast, it feels us with worry. Just be patience and consistent, keep in touch with your vet (if only by phone) and you will get through this period.

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Diann,

Just wondering if you have time for an update on your tender-tummy duo.



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Pancreatitis? I've thought about that, but haven't been able to rationalize why both dogs would start having it at the same time. I also don't know what is in this magic ID stuff to so quickly get their stools back on track. When I look at the ingredents it's horrible stuff! Is there something in this ID that hardens the stools, slows down the digestive process?

The vet did say to make sure they've both had firm, slime-less stools for at least a week before starting to transition to another food. What type of kibble for sensitive stomachs do Hav owners use and have had good success with?
My Zoey cant handle rich food and was doing well on wellness. The food I was giving went threw a recall so I had a great sales person talk me into trying Earthborn. Zoey had no problems with the switch and I even had to give full strength because of the recall. I chose meadow feast with lamb. The sisters had never had lamb but its agreeing with their tummies and there poops are perfect..

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you might want to add about a teaspoon of plain organic yogurt. If there is a bacterial imbalance it should neutralize it. It has alot of other plusses too.

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I agree Becky-mine love yogurt. I have started them on the Greek Yogurt-plain-and they really like it. Someone told me the Greek was better for them but don't hold me to that.

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Thanks for your all your posts. I have been chicken to try changing Lucy's diet yet. With all the holiday activity and her therapy work, I haven't wanted to mess with success. I know the ID isn't ideal for her but as long as she's on it, she's fine.

Charlie's back to normal, still earing the dry ID. The last small bag we bought for him was from the pet store instead of the vet. The clerk asked us if we had a prescription card when we checked out. He said that ID can be harmful if it's not prescribed by a vet. Thoughts you might have on that? We know ID isn't the best for them, but can it be harmful?
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Diann, I almost PM ed you about this subject. My little Bolonka girl had a acute bout of pancreatitis and nearly died many months ago she became ill at the Vet's during boarding, she lost 1 pd in less then 24 hours, she had the greasy smelly stools and had progressed to vomiting it smelled bad too. My Vet is able to do a snap test to confirm but he also sent blood work out. In the morning I had to take her for anti nausea shots and fluid under the skin, in the evening he came to my house and gave another shot and fluids, this went on for four days. She was also on an antibiotic...if her pancreatitis had been milder, he would not have put her on an antibiotic. I got to keep her home because she was too stressed at the Vets...two of my Vets live about two blocks away...stress can slow healing in most illiness especially stomach problems, Khloe was fasted for about 12 hours, today they know its important to keep the intestines working during healing. The ID is mostly carbohydrates It comes out pretty much unchanged from when it went in...some dogs who are not stool eaters will try to eat their poop while on this, it goes away after they are on a regular diet, it smells like food to them.

My Vet was great I was only charged for the meds...not his time...or the food...or the appointments. My Vet thought someone on his staff fed her Bacon or country ham...he did manage to trace what caused it...a food rep. gave the kennel staff little packages of Freeze dried Beef Liver...the kennel staff thought these little pieces of food made a better treat for a such a small dog, they feed only these and they are made in America. These treats are normally great, the problem was they fed too much almost the equivalent of 3 ounces of beef liver in a 42 hour period, that is a boat load for a six pound dog...there are instructions on the package about feeding...they were able to trace it through inventory. My Vet took this really personally. The easy way to understand what happened: Not only was it too much, but it was far too rich in that amount, liver is an organ meat full of vitamins that become toxic at high levels.

I am a writer most of my writing for many years have been medical and of late Veterinary, I rewrite these for doctors and Vets, it is important that I vet all the information they give me to write for them..yeah they're experts...it is up to me to make sense of it all...if they could write and explain clearly with a nice flow, they could do it themselves. As many people have the internet compulsion when their dog or a loved one is sick...mine is I call all my sources... I want all the details...I want to understand how it works.

It has been in my mind you might be "chicken" or "scared" to change the diet...I was too.
So scary are stomach problems in our pets...we don't want to push them. The ID is not harmful in itself...I say it all the time these diets have a use, short term healing, end stage, and chronic disease. The ID will not give your dog enough protein as a long term diet, it's not for that, it's use is limited to healing.

I will share with you the pep talk I was given...my Vets all know me personally...they push...to be fair so do I. Sometimes when our dogs get sick with a tummy problem it is not they are allergic, it is not that simple, some dogs need less protein then others, some genetically have sensitive stomachs, sometimes it's the protein source, if thats the problem, some dogs do well on fish, but others do not, some diets are just to rich for some dogs, a dog who is very active can usually have a diet high in protein, this does not mean you give them a inferior diet...just different.

Charley will probably do really well getting back on a normal food, Lucy may take more time, start slowly...you can always go back for a day or two or give less reg. food. I started by mixing the two together in increasing amounts...I added kiddle after a week...it was scary...this is normal...it took two weeks. You will need to be careful for about 6 months with giving any high salt or rich human treat. Your two pups will be fine think of the ID as your safe net. Hopefully this will be a one time thing. I also must warn you I followed my poor girl around when she pooped so I could check it, poor thing could not do her busness in private. Today I no longer worry but I do watch all treats...we are in the six month window. Thanksgiving none of my dogs got their usually few scraps of white meat turkey...DH dropped a piece of ham on the floor and Khloe got it, she was fine but not extra treats that day. I did not write on the forum about Khloe as I was busy dealing with it.

You really need to try to get them on a normal diet, they have diets for sensitive tummys if this will help you feel confident...I know you will get through it. I also know it is scary...we love our pups so much. Hope this helps you understand.

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