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I intended to get Mayzie spayed before she went into heat, but around Easter, I noticed a couple of red droplets on her pillow and knew it was too late. So I bought her some fancy pants, and we buckled down to weather the storm. I have never had a dog go into heat before, and I was shocked that her vulva got so big...about the size of a kiwi! I was also surprised that her nipples and breasts were so pronounced - the nipples were firm like a tic-tac and felt like there were a couple of nickels stacked under each one.

I dropped her off to be spayed yesterday, and today the vet said that she had gone into a false pregnancy which explained the nipple/breast issues. He said she had had several cysts on her ovaries, which I guess was unusual. He said, "and we cleaned out her uterus" which struck me as odd because I was thinking, "well, I hope you did more than clean it...I hope you removed it"!

Anyway, Mayzie is home today, and she is mopey. She was not mopey before, so I attribute her behavior to pain and grogginess and just being traumatized from spending the night at the vet more than from any psych symptoms of false pregnancy. On the one hand, I hope that is the case because I don't want her feeling blue because of false pregnancy, but on the other hand it would be better for me if she did not have any trauma associated with the vet. We are leaving in 3 weeks for a 3-week vacation, and our dogsitter/housesitter bailed on us, so unless I find a replacement, I will have to board her back at the vet. I sure don't want her associating it with trauma or else it will be a very long vacation.

Anyone with experience with false pregnancy, what are the symptoms and how long do they last? Also, what about this "cyst on the ovaries" stuff? Don't they remove ovaries when they spay a dog?


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Yes, Pixel had a false pregnancy, though we waited till she was WAY past it to spay her, so I'm not sure how that will affect things for Mayzie. It was actually pretty comical. We were looking at a new car, and took her with us to the dealer. She is usually fine out and about with us, but she was a bit mopey, then went under the sales persons desk and lost her lunch all over the floor!!! The dealership folks were all really nice about it, (Subaru, and they make a point about being dog-friendly) but Dave was mortified. Got home, and she started following him around the house whining. Then she went in her crate and started digging around. Then she went and collected several "babies" from around the house. (by this point, we were pretty sure what was happening) Then she settled down to "nurse" her "babies", milk and all. The vet suggested we take all her toy babies away from her, but she was totally miserable, so we let her keep one. She STILL won't let the other dogs touch "baby", and that was almost a year ago now!!!

Mayzie, even without the false pregnancy, IS probably not feeling very good... It IS major surgery! I hope they sent you home with pain meds for her. Vets around here rarely keep dogs over night after a spay, so that was added upset for her. She may very well take a dim view of being taken back to the vet... I know it totally change Kodi's mind about vets after he was neutered!!! If there is somewhere else she can be boarded, it might be a bit easier for her. If she HAS to stay at the vet, at least it will give her a chance to get to know them in a situation where she feels well and they aren't doing anything uncomfortable to her!


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I was so annoyed they kept her. I pestered them with phone calls, and finally Mrs. Gray (Dr. Gray's wife, who is about 90 like he is) said, "Angela, honey, he won't budge". I was taught to respect my elders, especially the sweet ones but I was so annoyed.

I am still hopeful we can find a dependable housesitter.

I don't understand false pregnancy I suppose. I will google it. I am thankful for your story about Pixel's experience...it makes it sound like the false pregnancy preceded the spay. I thought the vet was saying basically "here's Mayzie back...she has gone into a false pregnancy now that we have spayed her" (I was not the one to pick her up; my daughter was). I guess that would have to be the way it is though in order to explain the mammary changes because those have been around for over a week. Maybe now that she has been spayed the pseudopregnancy will disappear quickly?


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I hope Mayzie has a quick recovery and is back to normal soon.

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Poor Mayzie, I hope she is feeling like her old self soon. She went through a lot.


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Poor thing. Thinking of you all.

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I was so annoyed they kept her. I pestered them with phone calls, and finally Mrs. Gray (Dr. Gray's wife, who is about 90 like he is) said, "Angela, honey, he won't budge". I was taught to respect my elders, especially the sweet ones but I was so annoyed.

I am still hopeful we can find a dependable housesitter.

I don't understand false pregnancy I suppose. I will google it. I am thankful for your story about Pixel's experience...it makes it sound like the false pregnancy preceded the spay. I thought the vet was saying basically "here's Mayzie back...she has gone into a false pregnancy now that we have spayed her" (I was not the one to pick her up; my daughter was). I guess that would have to be the way it is though in order to explain the mammary changes because those have been around for over a week. Maybe now that she has been spayed the pseudopregnancy will disappear quickly?
No, I'm SURE being spayed didn't CAUSE the false pregnancy! And her enlarged teets makes it very likely that she was already in the midst of it when she went in. Gestation period for a dog is APPROXIMATELY 63 days. (it varies, just as with people) And pregnancy usually stats about day 12-23 of their heat cycle. So you can count back, and if she went into heat about 2 1/2 months ago... With Pixel, the timing was exact.

While you CAN spay a female in a false pregnancy (or in heat or even pregnant!) vets try to avoid it, because the organs become more vascular, and the surgery is a bit more complicated and a bit more prone to complications than when they are not either in heat or pregnant. We had scheduled Pixel's spay a little sooner, and on the advice of the vets, chose to put it off an extra few weeks to let her organs return to "normal" because of the false pregnancy. that's why they wanted us to take all the toys away from her too, so the hormones in her body subsided as fast as possible. (as they would if a dog lost her litter for some reason)

That MAY have been why the vet wants to watch Mayzie over night... to make sure she didn't experience any internal bleeding after a difficult spay. She's home and fine now, though, and she' be your regular little Mayzie in no time. It does take a week to 10 days before they can go back to full activity, though... You don't want her straining herself!


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How old were the dogs when first heat occurred? I am curious, I wanted to spay Zelda as late as possible but before first heat. I ended up spaying her about 9 months. Wonder if I could have waited longer. I spayed Link at about 7 months, not as late as I'd like but I really didn't want him to lift leg and learn marking. I stilling remember researching and agonizing over when to spay/neuter then.
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How old were the dogs when first heat occurred? I am curious, I wanted to spay Zelda as late as possible but before first heat. I ended up spaying her about 9 months. Wonder if I could have waited longer. I spayed Link at about 7 months, not as late as I'd like but I really didn't want him to left leg and learn marking. I stilling remember researching and agonizing over when to spay/neuter then.
First heats can vary WIDELY. To be absolutely sure to catch them before their first heat, I know many vets suggest spaying around 6 months. That said, many vets now are recommending allowing at least one heat and over one year of age, to allow the bitch benefit of her hormones before spay. Panda went into heat the first time at 10 months, Pixel was 14 months! (But that's on the late side)


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First heats can vary WIDELY. To be absolutely sure to catch them before their first heat, I know many vets suggest spaying around 6 months. That said, many vets now are recommending allowing at least one heat and over one year of age, to allow the bitch benefit of her hormones before spay. Panda went into heat the first time at 10 months, Pixel was 14 months! (But that's on the late side)
Maybe I should have done that instead. It was difficult to decide what is the best thing to do. My vet did not recommend spaying late at all. In fact she wanted to neuter Link at 2 months (partly because of his hernia, which she said was really bad but another vet at the same office said it was fine) which I definitely didn't want to do

I'll do that with my next dog I guess.

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