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#1 ·
So the past 3 days we have found 3 soaking wet pee spots on the beds.
We were fairly certain it was our 13 yr old cat, so since they are indoor/outdoor cats they weren't coming in the house for now.
Then this morning after the kids went to school I kept smelling something that smelled like poo. I thought Tillie was just stinky from getting into and eating 2 pumpkin cookies yesterday.
Then as I was preparing to leave for work I discovered a HUGE pee 'puddle' on my husbands side of the bed. The cats were still locked int he garage from night time... so it IS Tillie. :(
She has been acting very out of sorts this week. At her obedience class on Sunday she was trembling and shaking (when nothing has happened there to scare her?) she has been sleeping a LOT. like all the time. So we have an appt at 4:30 this afternoon to have her checked for a UTI or a bladder infection. :(

I am praying it IS a bladder infection otherwise WHAT is going on!??
This morning I took her out to potty within about 20 minutes of her getting up which is pretty normal for her. She only poop'd, I thought that was weird so I stayed with ehr encouraging her to "go potty" and she pooped again. but never pee'd. BECAUSE she had already pee'd on the bed!??? Her huge morning pee!??

WHAT the heck is going on!??
I have the ex pen in the house and have blocked off the halllway/rooms ....
 
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#31 ·
Crystals in the urine could very well be bladder/kidney stones -- which would account for the incontinence and the alkalinity and protein. She may need an x-ray and/or ultrasound to find them. Hugs to all -- especially sweet Tillie.
 
#34 ·
So sorry, Tammy. Hope they get you a definitive answer soon as it's terrible not knowing. Is she acting okay other than that? I hope she's not in any pain. Our poor babies. I wish they could talk to us. Take care Tammy and Tillie.
 
#39 ·
she doesn't seem to be in any pain, her energy is returning ... still worried about stones but that will only be discovered with time, I guess.,,?
I am just keeping a really close eye on her and being sure to make her go out to potty every 2 hrs at least. so far no other "accidents" but she hasn't HAD a chance to have an "accident". ;)
 
#40 ·
I think Linda's Augie had chrystels in his urine you might PM her. I was also thinking that your dietitian may want to alternate her diet my sisters Ausie had to change food for the same reason. Hope sweet Tillie gets better soon.
 
#41 ·
Tammy, I am so sorry to hear about Tillie, Pee is so hard to deal with in carpets and beds etc., I am just reading this, and I know this is scary for you. Generally with a UTI the dog urinates often but in tiny amounts, they are very sore and as the infection ascends to the bladder they feel a burning so they will keep trying to empty it...just like we do.

Since you are cooking a home diet it is important you tell your Vet...yeah often they are not fond of home cooking...but it is your choice...be firm...you also need to call Sabine as there may be an ingredient that could be causing the readings, or she may need to make an adjustment based on Tillie's body, then again it may be totally unrelated, it is important you tell your vet all of the facts so he can make a proper diagnosis. Hope they get to the bottom of this quickly!
 
#44 ·
Tammy, I am so sorry to hear about Tillie, Pee is so hard to deal with in carpets and beds etc., I am just reading this, and I know this is scary for you. Generally with a UTI the dog urinates often but in tiny amounts, they are very sore and as the infection ascends to the bladder they feel a burning so they will keep trying to empty it...just like we do.

Since you are cooking a home diet it is important you tell your Vet...yeah often they are not fond of home cooking...but it is your choice...be firm...you also need to call Sabine as there may be an ingredient that could be causing the readings, or she may need to make an adjustment based on Tillie's body, then again it may be totally unrelated, it is important you tell your vet all of the facts so he can make a proper diagnosis. Hope they get to the bottom of this quickly!
Her vet is fully aware of my home cooking for her. In fact, it was HE who first suggested it!! Sabine did a few tweaks with the actual vitamins, but other than that it is what the vet wanted her on.
When he called me yesterday he asked again what she ate and I told him exactly what she eats, how it is prepared, etc. Then he asked me about what treats she has. and I told him. I DID ask about her diet and he actually said he was more concerned with weather commercial treats could be the problem...
I agree, I DO need to talk with Sabine and I will be consulting her this week!
:)
thanks for the idea!!
 
#42 ·
I am just reading this now...poor Tillie! She must feel so bad to go on your bed :( I hope you get everything figured out soon. I'm curious about what in the food could cause stones? I home cook too so I do worry. ((hugs)) from me and Ozzie
 
#43 ·
homecooking doesn't cause stones. Kibble is more a cause of stones.
 
#46 ·
Diets too hight in Purine can cause this, since Tammy is homecooking "if" that is the problem it is an easy fix. Purine is found in fish, beef, and poultry. Dogs like humans are all different sometimes things need to be changed a bit, what works today may not down the road. It was in no way a criticism, a custom diet is easier to fix, than a one size fits all commercial diet.
 
#47 · (Edited)
yeah Robbie that may be , but please do not make statements like "...yeah often they are not fond of home cooking..." . Home cooking is far more adaptable and healthy for dogs than any other form of food ,in particular kibble. You scare peole eg. Gertchie http://kidneystoneshelp.com/prevent-kidney-stones-in-dogs/
 
#48 ·
Dave, Vets are like that they often get upset when they hear RAW or Home cooked, not because these are bad diets, it has more to do with them being drilled with what can go wrong in Vet School, Tammy is feeding a diet she got from a nutritionist so she is doing it right...but there are many people out there that feed there dogs table scraps and call it home cooked...this is what Vets too ofen think, it is often hard to get past that with some Vets. Tammy's Vet already knew about Tillies diet and that is what they often look at with stones.

To make peace with the fact I am admittedly more conservative with Vet medicine and such then your more natural approach. Here is a link about stones:
vhttp://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/13_6/features/Kidney-Stones-Bladder-Stones_16231-1.html
 
#49 ·
Robbie, the problem that I have is your statement that I mentioned, it comes accross wrong.
 
#51 ·
Worrying is not unusual for people who home cook and reflects an appropriate concern for the health of their dogs, just as people who feed commercial foods worry about whether they are feeding the best brand to their dog. I seriously doubt anyone is 'scared'.
 
#54 · (Edited)
Just reading this about the crystals. Tammy, it sounds like you got her in right away, so was caught early. Augie did have crystals. The only sign I had was that he was not able to hold his urine through the night, where he had always been able to do so. He does not have access to beds, but he was peeing on the throw rug that is over tile in front of the front door. I was freaking too, but we went through a course of antibiotics, maybe two courses (my memory is shaky here). The vet also put him on a canned 'urinary' diet for a month. His urine was also too alkaline at that time. We were advised to go back on the food he was initially on where he had done well, until I foolishly changed it. He just did not do well on the new food. He had a lot of blood in his urine at the time as well, and she injected fluid under his skin on his back to help flush his system out. When he was rechecked again after treatment, the crystals were no longer there. This was about a year ago exactly. And, knock on wood, he has done well since.

I hope Tillie recovers quickly. Yes, definitely talk to Sabine and perhaps she can give you some adjustments to make to help in Tillie's recovery.
 
#55 ·
Tammy, I hope Tillie is feeling better soon.
One of our 8 year old Yorkies (actually my father-in-law's but they live with us), started having peeing issues early last year. She would be asleep on my lap or next to me on the couch and I'd feel wetness. Thankfully we keep blankets over our couch and chairs. I didn't think that much of it at first figuring she was just overly tired so the urge to pee didn't wake her up. She didn't seem to have any other symptoms. When it happened a couple more times, I took her to the vet. They did a urinalysis and found some crystals and then they did an x-ray and found bladder stones. Surgery to remove them took care of it and she is now on a diet formulated for dogs who have had bladder stones. I am happy to say no more accidents and no more stones on any of her followups. She did great after surgery and recovery was actually pretty quick.
 
#56 ·
Hi Tammy,

I have been out of town, and did not check the forum while I was gone. I hope Tillie is feeling better now and you find out what the problem is.

Murphy also had issues with crystals and had several bladder infections. We switched him off of kibble to a raw diet and it helped quite a bit. I know Tillie's diet is very good so hopefully this is just an unusual occurance and she gets well soon.

Take Care!

Diane and Murphy
 
#57 ·
So sorry to hear about this.

I know one of the ways humans can get kidney stones is as a result of a UTI. Often humans don't know they are there until they start to pass them. They can be picked up on an ultrasound though.

I wanted to add that I really admire that you do home cooking. I need to do some human home cooking...take out and TV dinners all the time are not the best pick.
 
#58 ·
lol, ya, and believe it or not I HATE cooking. LOVE baking, but hate cooking. lol
Every single night I struggle with making dinner. I am thankful that I only have to cook for Tillie once a week and it is ALWAYS the exact same thing. ha ha. wish I could get away with that for my human famiily!!
 
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