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This election scares me

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#1 ·
I've always felt that even if my candidate didn't win we would be fine and life would go on as usual. I don't feel that way this time. We are either going to go back to being a capitalist nation that rewards hard work or we are going to move farther towards the failed Europeon socialist welfare state model. We are either going to work for a living or vote for a living. This is the most important election of our lifetime so please get out and vote. Unless, of course, you are voting for what will be four years worse than the last four.
 
#77 ·
DITTO! it's like the lesser of 2 evils.. I vote absentee and did my ballot yesterday... noticed that ROSEANNE BARR is running for president!? wth?
How did this go un noticed!? let's all vote for her! bwhahhahhahaa better than the other options! ;) :peace:
 
#72 ·
I live in Virginia and they are driving me CRAZY, the phone calls, the knocking on doors, the flyers in the mail, the flyers tied to my door, stuck on the outside of my mailbox...

And did I mention the calls? My home phone gets about 6 calls a day from the republicans and 6 calls a day from the democrats (on average) today, I think I got around 15 as the election looms closer.

I cannot WAIT for the swing state harrassement to stop, I imagine it is just as bad for residents of Ohio, seems like they are flying back and forth from Virginia to Ohio,
 
#75 ·
Missy, when we were talking "ugly" topics the thought of the Havana Silks came to my mind, too! The worst was the political thread that got downright nasty. Controversy is very unnerving for me and although I don't really want to get into a knockdown drag-out I do have to say I voted for Romney! I respect others right to disagree. Clare, what do the Brits think?
 
#78 ·
Kathy, i agree. it was nasty. and it did wreck some friendships. perhaps this can become a political satire thread. a place to share all the funnies about the election. that way people who want to can voice their preferences through fun stuff.

the best thing we can all do is VOTE ! it really doesn't matter for who, as long as you do your own homework, come to your own conclusions, and don't let the bullies who's job it is to sway you (on both sides) , sway you from your convictions.
 
#83 ·
I think informative discussion is good but there is always potential to go south.

Personally I started out as a Democrat but switched to Republican, though I'm mor, e to the center. Not too excited about Romney as a politician but he was a decent governor (I am from Massachusetts) and he was much better than the mess of a governor they have now, Deval Patrick. I went to church in the same building as Romney, though his political views have been all over the place he is not the boogeyman the other side makes him out to be.

I want this part of my comment to be about the media and not really go down the religion topic, but earlier in the campaign, since I do follow the news, I really loathed how the media tried to cast Romney in an unsavory light by labeling my religion as a cult and not part of Christianity, using outright false information. There is really more that we have in common than not, and even though I am young I find no point in fixating on the minutia (sp?). I can get along very well with a gay person or someone that doesn't have a religion. I have learned tolerance and respect from my church, and I can only hope that is reciprocated to me. I am glad the media has realized that calling Mormonism a cult never caught traction because it isn't true and that people rejected placing a religious test for the office of the presidency.
 
#87 ·
Atsilvers27, my objection to Romney had nothing to do with his religion, it was his policies and also that he flip-flopped so many times it was difficult to trust what he said after a while. I agree with you that some people made unfair comments about Romney because of his Mormonism. On the other hand, some people never got over castigating Obama for being a Muslim, even though he is not! Imagine if someone was actually a Muslim, how much grief they would have to take! Too many people equate all Muslims with being radical jihadists, or all Mormons as being like the FLDS with many wives, even today. There is a lot of ignorance out there about religion (and other things, of course) to be sure. I'm waiting for a gay athiest president now, ha ha ha. Really, I'm just glad it's all over!

BTW, Tammy -- Roseann Barr is a very liberal progressive person, so I suppose you should be glad she didn't win. :)
-- Eileen
 
#88 ·
Missy, Kara, my ulcer is getting stirred up just reading these posts, LOLOLOLOL! Thank God the election is over so I don't have to comment. ROFLMAO, eyes twitching and all..........xxoox
 
#89 ·
LOL, see, I define a flip flopped as one who runs against individual health care mandates in an election, then after, signs a bill into law that fines those who don't buy health insurance. I define a flip flopped as one who promises to hold all health care debates in front of c-Span cameras, then conducts all hearings behind closed doors, away from cameras and won't even let the other side view ppt he bill before voting for it . . .saying "we have to vote for it before we can see what's in it".

I define a flip flopper as one who campaigns on a promise to close Gitmo, then promptly flip flops once he's in office and realizes what a moronic idea THAT was.

And flip flopping on gay marriage not withstanding . . .one of the biggest flip flops in modern day history was his claim that it was downright unpatriotic that W added to the National debt by $4 Trillion dollars in his eight years as President . . .then proceeded to add $6 MORE Trillion dollars in four.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=1kuTG19Cu_Q&desktop_uri=/watch?v=1kuTG19Cu_Q

I've only now been able to discuss this past election without my head spinning, but it is what it is. Come what may (and it won't be pretty), at least we have our furry friends to keep us company as we brace for the next four years. LOL

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#94 ·
A secret? Romney lost . . .his policies won't be enlisted. It will be the policies of the Obama Administration . . .you know, the one who promised if he could have a trillion dollars in stimulus to stimulate the pockets of his cronies and their green companies that have since gone belly up, we would have 5% unemployment. Why there's 21 million fewer people working today IS the secret ;)

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#95 ·
sigh, politics!

I have 7 kids, mostly now teens and college age/ early 20's, and I have noticed they are quite disgruntled and pessimistic against BOTH parties, and I do feel that their generation (or one shortly thereafter) will likely push for the creation of a 3rd party, or somehow, the Green party, or Libertarian, or whatever it will be called is just ripe for the taking right now, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we all see a 3 party government system in our lifetimes, I even know a few people who voted for Gary Johnson (Libertarian), and I was over hearing this conversation of this younger generation and their thoughts on how any 3rd parties never get much of a chance, via debates, press, etc. and I think its just a matter of time before one of the other parties gains some power,people are just sick of the deadlock, and something needs to happen.

Kara
 
#96 ·
I would truly love to see the Libertarian Party become a bigger player . . .but in today's climate of two party system and the way they're funded, I just don't see that happening.

As for gridlock, that's not always a bad thing. When one party had control of both the House and Senate and controlled the White House, the leaders in the Senate ended filibustering by striking a deal with former Senator Arlen Specter. He switched parties, giving Democrats the super majority in the Senate and prevented filibustering so that Democrats didn't have to negotiate with Republicans on health care. Instead, they were able to ramrod it through both the House and Senate without so much as a single Republican vote and then signed into law by the President.

Of course, that maneuver cost Democrats control of the House and a return to filibustering when they lost their super majority in the following midterm 2010 election.

Which is why Democrats . . .unable to have a super majority in the Senate the "old fashioned way" . . .are working on ending filibuster privileges of the minority party by way of rules change.

Gridlock was purposefully and artfully placed in the Constitution by its framers for the express purpose of preventing one party from running roughshod over the country. That's why there's three independent branches of government . . .it was designed to be a stopgap measure to prevent dictatorship. Until now, it's worked admirably.

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#99 ·
Now that the election is over, what needs to happen is that both parties have set aside their personal differences to work together and plan out what's best for America and it's people.

No 1 party is 100% correct but if you take the good points from both, you can come closer to solving issues.
 
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