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Old 12-09-2012, 02:53 PM   #11
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Anna6, I certainly have no idea as to what size would be too large. It would all depend, I am sure, on what space you have for them. It certainly was NOT my intent to make you feel bad or put any guilt trips on you or sit in judgement of you for possessing birds. If you provide the same or better conditions for the birds you are considering bringing into your home, they will no doubt be fine. These birds who are born in captivity probably don't know what they are missing by being out and about. But I know. I have birds myself and it wasn't until after I already had them and realized that they are each individual little beings with personalities and likes and dislikes, etc. that I began to ponder the situation and think that this may not be something I would do again. I don't think birds born in captivity would fare very well outside if let go, so if you can provide a loving home for one or more that needs rehomed, go for it. One of my cockatiels is a rehomed bird.

I am not an expert on this by any means, but birds molt - they lose their feathers periodically and I would think that the clipped birds' wing feathers will grow out again at some point. If the bird never had the opportunity to fly when young, it is possible that if the wing feathers grew out that it may not be able to do it safely in an enclosed environment. Or maybe it wouldn't have the muscle to fly at all. Have no idea. We had a female cockatiel years ago, that was clipped so severely as a young bird that she had not learned how to fly safely or to sort of float to the ground. We let her wings grow out and she crashed into the wall, thankfully without injuring herself too badly. I did some research at the time and found out that they should be allowed to learn to fly and handle themselves before they are ever clipped to the point where the bird can't fly.
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No worries Linda. I better think and know about all these things before I bring another bird into my home. I wasn't aware of people having strong feelings about other people having parrots of a certain size even if they are well cared for. As for the wings being "clipped" permanently I think that is done at the vet and possibly the feather is removed? I am not sure but it is not uncommon. Years ago a woman associated with Quails Botanical Gardens in San Diego came and visit my home with her parrots and basically ask me to take a large Cockatoo rescue when another one would come up because she felt our circumstances were so well suited. She works extensively with the bird rescue in our area. This was before I had my budgies and Nina though. I did not feel ready either at that time because my youngset two were 4 at the time. Also I want to be clear that eventhough all these animals live in a family I am the one bringing them in and making sure they get their care. Thank you for taking time to share your experiences, thoughts and opinions.
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No worries Linda. I better think and know about all these things before I bring another bird into my home. I wasn't aware of people having strong feelings about other people having parrots of a certain size even if they are well cared for. As for the wings being "clipped" permanently I think that is done at the vet and possibly the feather is removed? I am not sure but it is not uncommon. Years ago a woman associated with Quails Botanical Gardens in San Diego came and visit my home with her parrots and basically ask me to take a large Cockatoo rescue when another one would come up because she felt our circumstances were so well suited. She works extensively with the bird rescue in our area. This was before I had my budgies and Nina though. I did not feel ready either at that time because my youngset two were 4 at the time. Also I want to be clear that eventhough all these animals live in a family I am the one bringing them in and making sure they get their care. Thank you for taking time to share your experiences, thoughts and opinions.
As Linda said, our intent was not to make you feel bad, only to make sure you had thought through all of the ramifications of owning a larger bird. Especially if the birds are rescues, they are probably lucky to have a new, good, home to go to!

Even feathers that are pulled entirely grow back. This is what they do if the bird breaks a blood feather. (which can cause them to lose an ALARMING amount of blood before the feather is pulled!) They will also pull bent or damaged feathers, because new, undamaged feather will grow in faster. It's important to learn how to pull a blood feather (it requires pliers on a larger bird) so if you get one of these birds, have an experienced bird person or the vet show you how. A bird can bleed to death if left with a broken blood feather.

So if the birds have been rendered permanently unable to fly (other than the learning issue described by Linda) I believe they must be "pinioned", which means that part of the wind itself, NOT just the feathers has been removed. Again, if these birds are rescues, there's nothing that can be done after the fact, but this is a barbaric practice... much worse than docking tails and ears on a dog. It would be more akin to cutting off the dog's foot. So I HOPE that hasn't been done to these birds (though, again, I KNOW you had nothing to do with it!!!)

As far as the size bird is concerned, I think it depends COMPLETELY on the amount of space and time you have available. Even little birds should have cages big enough for serious climbing, and at LEAST hopping from branch to branch with completely open wings. Then, IMO, they should have several hours of out-time almost daily. If the birds have not been permanently de-flighted in some fashion, I would ask an experienced avian vet how best to teach them to use their wings and pectoral muscles again. It will significantly improve their overall health.

If they really will NEVER be able to fly, it puts you in the position of being even more responsible for making sure they have TONS of climbing exercise,and lots and lots of environment enriching toys and foraging opportunities.

Also remember that the bigger the bird, the more destructive they are. Plan on providing TONS of things they can take apart, shred, etc. The busier you keep them, they less noise they'll make and the less they'll destroy! (Even tiny little Sunny will eat the edges of all the papers on my desk if we don't give her lots of other things to keep her busy!!!)

It's not that you SHOULDN'T get a bird... especially if they are rescues, these birds deserve as good a home as someone can give them. But the more you know about them, where they come from, what their nature life would be like and how you can come closest to giving them what they need, the better!
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We ended up buying a 2 1/2 yr old Congo African Grey that needed to be rehomed. "She" is a lot of fun and seems to be settling in well. Nina is OK with her. Not that I put them together or anything. It is pretty much the same as our paprakeets between Nina and the parrot. The parrot was used to a creamey 10 lb dog and Nina is a creamey 7 lb dog. The parrot tells Nina to sit and stop barking. She also throws a ball for Nina to fetch. We hand it back to the parrot. Now if I could just teach her to take Nina out to go potty.
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Good question! I have always wanted an African Gray...I think my girls would attack at this point...and Grays live so long, it would outlive me at this point, which I don't want to have it attached to me and then have to go somewhere stange...but I hate to live my life having never had one!

We ended up getting an African Grey and I would say go for it. Ours is a rehome and was well loved. She has her issues but don't we all. The main thing is to have the right cage, keep her clean and keep her company. They take time and if you love birds then go for it.
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We ended up buying a 2 1/2 yr old Congo African Grey that needed to be rehomed. "She" is a lot of fun and seems to be settling in well. Nina is OK with her. Not that I put them together or anything. It is pretty much the same as our paprakeets between Nina and the parrot. The parrot was used to a creamey 10 lb dog and Nina is a creamey 7 lb dog. The parrot tells Nina to sit and stop barking. She also throws a ball for Nina to fetch. We hand it back to the parrot. Now if I could just teach her to take Nina out to go potty.
Did I miss it - what is her name? Can't just call her 'the parrot'! I have a hunch she is one lucky girl to have found a home with you! Pretty girl! Tells Nina to 'stop barking'? How funny! Great photos! Hope you will have more stories to share of her. How big is the ball she is throwing and how does she do it?
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We ended up buying a 2 1/2 yr old Congo African Grey that needed to be rehomed. "She" is a lot of fun and seems to be settling in well. Nina is OK with her. Not that I put them together or anything. It is pretty much the same as our paprakeets between Nina and the parrot. The parrot was used to a creamey 10 lb dog and Nina is a creamey 7 lb dog. The parrot tells Nina to sit and stop barking. She also throws a ball for Nina to fetch. We hand it back to the parrot. Now if I could just teach her to take Nina out to go potty.
She's lovely! Good luck with her!
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Did I miss it - what is her name? Can't just call her 'the parrot'! I have a hunch she is one lucky girl to have found a home with you! Pretty girl! Tells Nina to 'stop barking'? How funny! Great photos! Hope you will have more stories to share of her. How big is the ball she is throwing and how does she do it?
Sorry. Since it is a dog board I did not want to wander off the subject too much. Her name is Cheeky and she is 2 1/2 yrs old. The owner and I really connected and we both felt Cheeky and our family were a good match. I was pretty nervous because parrots pretty much choose you and not the other way around. She right away connected with our 11 DS. She went from living with one parront to a large family with many children. Cheeky is very smart and just picks up sounds and words. She has some diet issues and needs to change to a healthy diet. The girl is a picky eater. Parrots are one of a kind. If you ask her to step up and she doesn't feel like it she says,"Go away!" LOL When she wants to get out of her cage she says,"Lets go!" She hollers when I am gone mama Anna. She calls for DS 11 by name. When I run water in the kitchen she says,"Water!" "I love you!" "Ready bed?" when she wants to go to bed. On and on.
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Sorry. Since it is a dog board I did not want to wander off the subject too much. Her name is Cheeky and she is 2 1/2 yrs old. The owner and I really connected and we both felt Cheeky and our family were a good match. I was pretty nervous because parrots pretty much choose you and not the other way around. She right away connected with our 11 DS. She went from living with one parront to a large family with many children. Cheeky is very smart and just picks up sounds and words. She has some diet issues and needs to change to a healthy diet. The girl is a picky eater. Parrots are one of a kind. If you ask her to step up and she doesn't feel like it she says,"Go away!" LOL When she wants to get out of her cage she says,"Lets go!" She hollers when I am gone mama Anna. She calls for DS 11 by name. When I run water in the kitchen she says,"Water!" "I love you!" "Ready bed?" when she wants to go to bed. On and on.
We ahve talked about our birds a number of times on the forum, so feel free! I have a little tiny parrot... A green rumped parrotlet.(actually she's my son's bird). Don't tell HER she's little though! She's totally in charge of THIS household!.

I find the big parrots a bit intimidating with thise strong beaks, but I also think they are very beautiful. And from what I've read, the African Greys are the smartest of the bunch. Hope she "owns" you for many long years!!!
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OMG! She sounds absolutely delightful! I am sooo jealous! It sounds like her name fits her perfectly! Congratulations!
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