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Old 01-08-2013, 03:44 PM   #11
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Sadly I deal with this everyday. I hate the term "teacup----" usually a yorkie. There is no such thing only that the dog is within the breed standard, 3-7 lbs. Almost all yorkies I see are 10-20 lbs and almost all come from millers. There is no way to prevent people want things instantly and for cheap. Once I came across a lady who said she wanted a Havanese, but none of the breeders had puppies so she bought one at a pet store! That one turned out to be very nippy and hard to groom. Then, a lady bought a Havanese from a place that screens breeders and gets nice puppies, she said. This pup had a crooked under bite even more than a tzu, thin long, long legs, a small bump on the side and a healed broken tail. All these things I noticed during the check in, and I just had to pull her to the side when she came to pick up, and told her the third party was a puppy broker and the mother, almost certainly was abused and neglected. This is in a well-off, educated area.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:21 PM   #12
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I have to admit before Doug I had little interaction with Dogs. I wasn't a dog person in the slightest. In the beginning I was considering a cross poodle, maltese for their 'cuteness' but I did my research and quickly learnt I was delusional! Sure, they look cute as puppies but there are so many health issues and in the end you really have no idea what you will end up with in terms of an adult dog - both in looks and temproment.

We did buy Doug before seeing him however had limited options for breeders local to us and after many phone conversations around our lifestyle, what we wanted in a dog we agreed to buy Doug. We got to see heaps of pictures of him, his parents and other pups from the litter and have all our questions answered by the breeder.

I am so happy that we went with a purebreed and did the research to find a reputable breeder we were comfortable with. I have actually been talking with other people who like me are a bit crazed by the cuteness however when they meet Doug and see his wonderful nature and how well he has taken to training (not to mention him being super cute) they are converted!
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:23 AM   #13
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This may sound off base, but is there no virtue in "rescuing" a puppy mill puppy even if one has been duped into paying a fortune for it and traumatizing the baby by flying it home? I am so grateful that Lucky came from a wonderful breeder and I know so many of his great qualities were bred into him somehow, and his breeder has been a touchstone in my care for him. BUT I have a friend with a sad little Cavalier (is that the name?) who was abused as a baby dog and is comfortable with no one but my friend. The dog seems so sad and terrified that I wonder how she gives any pleasure to her owners (I feel her angst every time I see her), but the joy of rescue and safe haven seem to mean a lot to my friend. Now granted my friend wasn't duped into thinking this would be a well adjusted show dog, but the associate whose mother is in love with a photograph may end up saving a little puppy from a dire future. Is this completely wrong headed?
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This may sound off base, but is there no virtue in "rescuing" a puppy mill puppy even if one has been duped into paying a fortune for it and traumatizing the baby by flying it home? I am so grateful that Lucky came from a wonderful breeder and I know so many of his great qualities were bred into him somehow, and his breeder has been a touchstone in my care for him. BUT I have a friend with a sad little Cavalier (is that the name?) who was abused as a baby dog and is comfortable with no one but my friend. The dog seems so sad and terrified that I wonder how she gives any pleasure to her owners (I feel her angst every time I see her), but the joy of rescue and safe haven seem to mean a lot to my friend. Now granted my friend wasn't duped into thinking this would be a well adjusted show dog, but the associate whose mother is in love with a photograph may end up saving a little puppy from a dire future. Is this completely wrong headed?
If you want to help by rescuing a puppy mill dog or pup, do it by getting the dog through a reputable RESCUE. EVERY TIME someone buys a puppy mill pup they are not only perpetuating the problem, but they are also dooming the parents of that pup to more years of neglect and abuse, and probably a horrible death when they are no longer able to produce large frequent litters. IMO, there is NO acceptable reason for buying a puppy mill dog.

There are plenty of puppy mill dogs (and some puppies too) that make it into rescues through raids, and even owner surrenders. In fact, the majority of purebred dogs and puppies in shelters (and breed rescues) are puppy mill dogs, because GOOD breeders write it right into your contract that if you can no longer keep the dog, you MUST give it back to them. So for the people who want to feel good about rescue, they should REALLY rescue... through a shelter or breed rescue.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:08 AM   #15
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Maybe their is a way when people find the web sites to some how advertise above and below the web page warning people its a puppy mill? our post end up on if we use a breeders name or a company name. Maybe that would help.
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Most of the public do not know about puppy mills/commercial breeding (USDA inspected), they see them on the news and feel sorry, but they do not identify at the time. Many people remember the days of getting a dog from the local pet store who sold local breeders or back yard breeder puppies only displayed on the weekend if ever. Many people watch the rescue shows and think all shelters and pounds will find their nuisance puppy a home so they drop them there.

People who suddenly want a dog often go to the internet and buy based on looks...often they do not get the puppy in the picture (lots of cut and paste) the designer dogs have caused an already strained shelter system to overload. The dogs as someone pointed out sometimes do not stay cute as they envisioned some are sick, will have life long problems (due to poor health of mother and poor conditions), many will have behavioral problems. The dog does not deserve this or do we.

Even some show breeders misrepresent their dogs, generally I side with the breeders, but there are problem ones, people need to educate themselves, all we can do is keep talking, sometimes it does sink in. It may take a learning curve for your friend or family member but when they finally say to you next time I am doing my homework and getting what I paid for.

I have a friend she bought a Golden years ago from a pet store...it was too late...she was in love. He was smaller then the standard and was slow...sort of dull in the brain. He died at 13. She called me and said Robbie I got a new dog and I listened to you I did not go to a pet store. I bought from a breeder and met him and the puppies in the parking lot of the store...Well, she half listen. She paid 1,500 for the Golden and $2,000 for a Boxer. The Boxer has aggression problems she has paid to have a trainer work with him...she does not trust him with her child. Last year she looked at me and said I made a mistake with my last two dogs...I get it now...I will only buy from someone I meet at a dog show or visit their kennel and meet them and the dogs. It took a few thousand dollars, some disapointments, and 15 years for her to get it. This is an educated career woman.

I also know a judge who paid 3,500 for a Maltese from a show breeder her puppies are all small but the standard is small, after a week the puppy got sick, she took it to the Vet after two more weeks she went to NC State Vet School, she paid several thousand dollars, the puppy had liver shunt inoperable...her husband made her take the dog back to the breeder (he told me he was not willing to watch it die, and she would not put it down), the breeder claimed the puppy was fine...but would give her another next breeding, but no money back because the puppy was fine. Two years later no money back and she found out the woman had the dog destroyed a week later and has had many puppies with liver shunt. We as buyers need to do our homework, if she had of done hers she would have gotten an older one if small or a bit larger and went with someone who health test and publishes their results. Sometimes it takes hard lessons, it breaks my heart but I hope everyone keeps putting the word out.
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