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Originally Posted by cjl922
Hello everyone!
I am new to the board but have been learning so much. We are currently searching for a Havanese. Our family adopted a havanese 4 years ago and now are hoping to raise one of our own. We have been researching breeders and looking for all the signs of a good one.
We came across Juergen @ Camelot Havanese and have only exchanged one email with him so far. Has anyone had any experience with him? He claims to have a lifelong genetic health guarantee, AKC registration and all health testing. He sounds thorough and his puppies are adorable.
Any info would be much appreciated!
CJ
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Personally, I wouldn't purchase a puppy from them. They use a lot of self-justifying to talk to explain why they don't do a lot of the health testing that is considered BASIC among top breeders (hips, hearts, liver panel,
YEARLY CERF, BAER testing for the puppies) as well as RECORDING the results with OFFA.
Also, I want a breeder who is actively showing their dogs and proving that they are breeding to the standard. It's GREAT that they are breeding for an easy to care for coat... That was something I wanted too. But that can be done and STILL produce champion Havanese. Kodi's parents are examples of this, and by his own statement, his top stud has his championship and has an easy to care for coat. I am not saying there is no favoritism in the dog show ring... I've shown horses all my life, and know it sometimes happens. OTOH sometimes people cry sour grapes when they haven't paid their dues and learned how to do it right. I have several friends who are small breeders, owner-show their dogs, and wouldn't think of breeding a dog that doesn't have its championship. It means very little to have "championship lines". Lots of puppy mill and BYB dogs have "championship lines" too.
Edited to add:
This breeder contacted me in a private message overnight, (6/30/12) and threatened me with "further legal action" if I did not remove this post. I do not like being threatened for stating my honest opinion (when asked) based on a website. It seems to me that the website may have been changed between when I originally posted this and now. At least there is now a lot of talk about him showing his dogs, and he stated this in his PM to me as well. That's great! That is why I regularly suggest that people talk to a breeder personally, rather than simply rely on a website. Many breeders are better at breeding than producing websites! (though this breeder's website APPEARS to be quite complete!)
I stand by my opinion that I would not purchase a dog from parents that were not fully health tested. The site does say that he does some health testing, but not all. Feel free to contact him for details. Some buyers might be comfortable with less health testing than I am. That is a personal decision that everyone must make for themselves.
I stated in this thread that he seems to really care about his dogs, and I still believe that. But I DON'T like being threatened, publicly or privately. If the forum owners and/or administrators feel there is anything wrong with my post, they are welcome to remove my post, or better yet, the entire thread.
Karen & Kodi
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