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Puppy Pyoderma?

Has anyone had a puppy dx'd with this? Kodi has bumps all over his front legs, with smaller numbers in other places, sprinkled over his body. They don't appear to be itchy at all. When I took him to the vet, she said it was an "unusual presentation" of puppy pyoderma, and told me it was either a staff or strp infection in his skin. She put him on two weeks of antibiotics, (a long acting injection, as I am VERY allergic to the antibiotic she wanted him on) and said I should see a big improvement in 2-3 days. It has only been a little over 24 hours so far, so I guess it's too early to tell yet.

She said it should clear up completely, unless he has an underlying allergy that is causing him to scratch and allow infection to enter his skin. (he doesn't scratch, so hopefully this is a one-time thing!) I think we caught it pretty early; he has no fever, and doesn't seem sick at all. It certainly hasn't affected his appetite at all. I just don't like the idea of ANYTHING being wrong with my little guy!

I'd be interested in hearing any other experiences with it. When I looked it up on-line, I found things ranging from "it usually goes away on its own" to extremely alarming articles about it being potentially life threatening. ...IOW, not very helpful!<g>


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Karen, I am sorry you and Kodi have to go through this. Cash had something that sounds like that when he was younger...he had little red bumps on mostly his belly and on the inside of his ears. The doctor said it was a bacterial infection and we had to bath him twice a week with an antibacterial shampoo and also had an ointment/liquid to put on each spot a couple of times a day. It did clear up. he got it once again...but has not had anything like it for over a year. The other thing she said was very important was to blow dry him and not let him air dry even after a walk as that can allow bacteria grow. But she never named it Pyoderma so not sure if it is the same thing or not.

I am glad Kodi does not seem uncomfortable. Oh and don't let Google scare you.




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Karen,

I have never heard of anything like this before. Any yeah, I agree with you with the 2 different points of view on this. I'm assuming I looked at the same websites as you.. on one it says no big deal, and the next they make it seem horrible. What does Kodi's breeder think?

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Hi Missy,

The vet did mention that if the systemic antibiotics weren't enough, she'd give me an antibacterial shampoo for him too. I wouldn't mind that, but putting ointment on him would be tough. His hair is already much longer than your guys, and the spots are ALL over him, even though they are thickest on his legs. The vet (jokingly, I THINK) said we'd have to shave him to find all the spots. Cross your fingers for me that we don't have to go that route!!!


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Hi Ryan,

I haven't talked to the breeder, since I don't think this is a "Havanese thing" at all... in fact, it looks, from what I read on the internet, as if it's much more common in a few specific breeds... (Afghans - the scary article, Sharpeis, Boxers) not breeds with much in common with Havanese. I started out by calling a couple of friends of mine, one is a vet, though she mostly does large animals, and the other is married to a vet who is a board certified dermatologist. (she is checked with her husband for his thoughts, and if he thinks it's necessary for us to make the trip to have him or another dermatology specialist see Kodi) I ran the local vet's treatment plan past them.

The scary article said that it was critical to get the puppy on steroids as quickly as possible, which was what I wanted to check out. Both of the vets I talked to felt that if he seems to feel well, has no fever, and the spots aren't increasing in number (they aren't) that my local vet's more conservative approach makes sense. They both said that putting a puppy on steroids is a "big gun" approach if it's not absolutely necessary.

He got bitten by a tick just before he got all the bumps, and I thought the two might be related. The local vet said no, but my friend said that although the tick didn't GIVE him the disease, any break in the skin can be a route for the entry of infection, so it IS possible that the infection was the result of the bite. He's always got flea and tick preventative on him, but the ticks are vicious here right now. I've pulled them off the cat and my husband as well as Kodi in the last 3 days.

I'm rooting for the "it's no big deal" websites at the moment!<g>


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Sorry to hear that Kodi has a rash. I'm glad it doesn't seem to be affecting him much. Hopefully the antibiotics will take care of it. I haven't heard of it before.

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Eek- I see what you mean about the websites- no big deal to it is a secondary symptom of immune disorder. I haven't heard of it before either so I hope it clears up right away with the antibiotics.

Hope with the cold the ticks go away. That is a battle I had to learn to fight this summer when we first moved to this house too.

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Bummer! Pyoderma is a secondary infection of the skin so generally starts with flea bites or scratching from allergies or something. It's not a Havanese genetic problem or anything like that but your breeder may have had experience with it before so maybe you want to share the information with him. It's a dog thing. Chinese Cresteds seem to get it, probably because they have a weaker immune system and being hairless exposes their skin to more. I haven't experienced it personally, but a friend of mine had it with her puppy and had her on Simplicef. She shared pictures and it does look pretty funky. It took two months to cure. Hopefully the abs will take care of it before you have to shave the dog down.
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Karen, do not shave Kodi down! if it comes to ointment you bring him here and I will help you find those little spots through all that hair we'll have him treated in no time. I am hoping it clears up and problem solved. It has been so wet lately, that those wet paws are great places for bacteria to grow. Do have him checked in 6 months again for tick born if he was bit. My vet says there are so many tick borne diseases and reactions that don't even have a name yet. Would they consider a course of doxycicline as a propalactic just in case? may help with the rash too.




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Eek- I see what you mean about the websites- no big deal to it is a secondary symptom of immune disorder. I haven't heard of it before either so I hope it clears up right away with the antibiotics.

Hope with the cold the ticks go away. That is a battle I had to learn to fight this summer when we first moved to this house too.

Get better little Kodi man!
Thanks! The ticks are MISERABLE here right now... I think they all want one last feed before we get a hard frost. I pulled one off my husband the other day, and I've pulled 3 off the cat. (and she takes care of any she can reach by herself!)

I almost don't want to take Kodi off the pavement right now. (though he would HATE that!)


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