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Question DOC, Vaccinations ???

I have heard & read many many different things about vaccination issues with Havanese. Do them, dont do them , dont do some of them, dont do every year, titering etc...... I certainly do not want to over vaccinate my pups.
I read your & Dianes book 'The Havanese' & was wondering, in your opinion, has anything changed in the protocol of vaccinations. I only addressed this to Doc for obvious reasons but of course anyone is welcome to respond.

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i just had my pup receive his vacination this week. because of his size, 9 lbs, we break the shots up over a span of 3 weeks, giving one each week instead of the combo that has everything. it's less taxing on their systems. the one thing i learned was that now vacinations are given once every 2-3 years depending on the shot. rabies i believe are every 3 years, parvo, every 2, lipto every 2, etc. you need to check with your vet. my breeder suggestd titering but my vet felt that immunizing your dog is the safest bet against anything out there that could kill him. i always make sure i am going to be with my dog for the first 24 hours and sometimes give him a quarter of a baby aspirin to help with the fever and other symptoms. i also torn but have heard too many stories about dogs diying from parvo, etc.
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I was going to follow the same protocol as Paige (vaccinated with the puppy shots and then again at one year and be done with them except for rabies). If my vet disagrees, I was going to ask for titers. I would also love to have professional input.
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Thanks. I have checked with my vet but most vets are not familier with Havs & are unaware of most issues with them. Especially being vaccine(lepto?) & anesthsia sensitive.

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Besides the book by Diane and Doc are there any other resources about this so I can..

print out and show to my vet? Thanks...

I know my breeder follows a vaccine schedule set by someone [could be doc] that she is giving me when I pick him up.

Anything else? Links, etc. Thanks so much.

I delayed vaccines and split up vaccines for my kids and asked for certain changes in protocal that my pediatrician did with no problems so I'm not afraid to dissent. LOL.

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This is what was posted on the Havanese Health forum a few month ago, I cant remember if it was Doc who put it out or not sorry.
I know my vet is hoping that they are able to start only giving rabies every 5 years but they have to follow the law for now.

Havanese Vaccination Protocol

• 8-9 wks Distemper/Parvo Vaccine (Intervet Puppyshot)-wait 3
weeks then
• 11-12wks Distemper/Parvo/ Parainfluenza, Adeno2 This can be
give either as a 5 way, such as Duramune Max 5 or as a
distemper/parvo (Intervet Puppyshot) and an intranasal (Intervet
KCPlus which includes Adeno2, parainfluenza and Bordetella.) Wait
three weeks then
• 14-15wks Repeat 11-12wk vaccination Wait 3 weeks then
• 17-18 wks. Rabies
• 1 year later: Distemper, Adeno2, Parainfluenza , Parvo. Wait
3 weeks then Booster Rabies 3 year vaccination. (Some states require
annual Rabies vaccination. If this is the case, do separate Rabies
vaccination at least three weeks apart from any other vaccination. )
• Following the 1 year boosters, there are a couple of
o AAHA has recommended boostering every 3 years with core
vaccines. There are now combination vaccinations for distemper,
adeno and parvo which are labeled for 3 years by challenge. Non-core
vaccines should only be used if the risk of the disease is greater
than the risk of the vaccination. Non-core vaccines include
Bordetella/Parainfl uenza, Lyme, and the bacterin, Lepto.
o An alternative is to run titers for distemper/parvo to
assess likely immunity. There is some controversy about whether a
low titer actually indicates lack of immunity (see notes about
memory cells in the references given) but an adequate titer gives me
confidence about continued immunity.

I do not recommend the use of Lepto bacterin unless faced with an
outbreak and then it should be given separately from all other
vaccines at least 3weeks apart from any other vaccination and never
before 9 weeks of age. If Lepto is given, be sure that the bacterin
used contains the serovar(s) causing the outbreak.

I never recommend using Corona vaccine considering it, at best,
unnecessary. There is simply no justification to support the use of
this vaccine component.

I have consulted several of the top researchers in the USA,
including Ron Schultz and Leland Carmichael (Cornell University)
about canine diseases and vaccinations. The general consensus is
that annual vaccinations are unnecessary and, indeed, possibly
harmful. For my own dogs, I run titers annually even though there is
some controversy on their relevance (research has shown that
immunity in the face of challenge is dependent on memory cells,
rather than antibodies so a low titer does not necessarily indicate
lack of immunity.)

Further information on the subject of vaccinations and protocols can
be found at a number of internet sites including:
Canine Vaccination Protocols
Richard B. Ford, DVM, MS, Dipl ACVIM
Professor of Medicine, North Carolina State University
North Carolina, USA

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I just said in my other post that neither of my girls have had shots after the one year mark. It is an individual's decision but the little matlese had a severe reaction to the lepto shot that was not suppose to be in her distemper mix. I decided there on out that we needed to do something different. The vet I have in Columbus is so passionate that if your titer comes back that you actually need the shot, he will do it for free. Both my girls are around other dogs all the time and have been very healthy. I think if there were sick or old, I would reconsider and take extra precaution but over vaccination definetly happens. Dr. Dodds has a lot of information and her protocol is similar. Make sure to talk about to your vet too as there may be things in your area that you are exposed to that would warrant certain shots.


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I think dogs are overvaccinated .. I am also very leary of the quality and pureness of some of the vaccines ..
I have had bad results twice and now I am very careful . My dog Griffin got very sick after immunization . He developed meningitis and he almost died .. I was told dogs do not get meningitis just humans . Hello he had all the symptons and they still tried to deny it .. Said it was due to a foxtail .. Very creative I thought !!
I finally found a vet who said it was due to his immunization ..
If they think some vaccines caused autism in children why is it any different with dogs ..
Thie is one of the issues that concerns me . Who is in charge of these regulations
The fact that they keep changing their minds about frequency of rabies also concerns me .. first every year - now it up to every three just leds me to believe that they do not know what they are doing and are just guessing and doing a CYA.
I am in favor of titers as well ..
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I am also thinking of doing titers next year also. My vet is always telling me how sensative these little guys are to shots and makes me wait 20 min or so before I leave.

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Well, from what i read in another post i think Doc has left the building . So i guess we wont get her input. But maybe Tom, Greg, Kimberly etc.. will give their opinions since you have dealt with having to vaccinate so many dogs over the years.

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