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Scratch scratch scratch

I took this video of Sophie's scratching (which seriously totally drives us both insane!) to show her breeder to see if he had any ideas. He did have some good suggestions! He has been great.

Thought I'd post it here again to see if anyone has insight. She pretty much scratches only her face, chin ears. This has been going on since she was 5.5 months old. Hallie had inhalent allergies but she would mainly bite the pads of her feet, which Sophie doesn't. And hers would go away in the winter.

I've done a bunch of testing and diet changes to fit the results with no change.

I use a medicate shampoo. We to to holistic vet for NAET treatments often. She is on chinese herbs and supplements (external wind, super quercetin). I make a tonic of witch hazel, apple cider vinegar and water. Trimmed her face short. Tried coconut oil, etc etc. Nothing seems to make any difference.

I haven't gone to drugs yet because am giving the holistic approach my all as it usually takes longer than western meds but is so much easier on them! And we are still trying some things with her.

Her breeder had a good thought, wondered if it's possible she has a deeper inner ear parasite or yeast...since she has always scratched on or near her ears and really is not itchy anywhere else on her body. Wondering if it could be something deeper than an instrument could see or that she could tolerate while awake.

He has never had an allergy issues in any dogs in her line. If he had I would definitely think allergies but since she hasn't I am praying it might be something like the ear theory.

He also feels she should not have gotten so ill as she did last week just from an abrupt food change (happened when sitter was here while I was gone over the weekend). Since started to act funny after her first meal of it then got very sick after her 2nd meal they chalked it up to food change but weren't sure. He suspects something in the food was bad. I found a place (expensive!!) to send the food off for testing. I am praying also that this is the case so I know it will be an isolated event! Anyone ever hear of a dog reacting this badly to sudden food change? Breeder also says he usually has no problem with changing food, he does it all the time, and the worst that has ever happened has been maybe a dog getting a little loose stool for a day. Sophie was vomiting blood and diarrhea the next day started in and was critical so fast from dehydration could have lost her. I agree it seems extreme if from the food change. Plus she had been on the food she got so sick on, before with no issues at all. Change was more gradual then maybe 3-4 days tops but she had no symptoms then.

Would love any input on either of these things. Here is the video showing how and where she itches. It waxes and wans and this is toward the worst of it end of the spectrum but even at it's best she definitely scratches much more in a day than the average dog. (and ignore the licking part, Sophie apologizes but this was when she was still sick so was kind of...um...cleaning her bum) Wasn't part of her normal scratching routine.


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Have you had Sophie's thyroid tested? Not sure if that's the issue but some allergy issues are related.
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Yes her thyroid is ok. But good thought!
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From the video my feeling is that it could well be an ear problem. Is that a himalayan chew next to Sophie? If so, that would be a milk product which can contribute to ear problems. I hope you get to the root of the problem for Sophie's sake and your peace of mind, not to mention pocketbook.
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I got nothing, but just want to say I hope there's an answer and an easy solution soon.
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Have you tried a homeopathic consultation with a trained veterinarian homeopath? They might find a remedy that would help her.
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Poor little girl, do't you just ache for her and start scratching your own ears in sympathy?!

I'm glad her breeder is caring and concerned... Is he thinking you might have to put her under so that a good vet could look deep inside her ears? I wish she wouldn't have to be put under, but it sure does look like it is her ears that she's trying to get scratched. That makes me just cringe for her.

And I certainly haven't heard of a dog being so sick from a fast food change, either. Diarrhea, yes, (voice of experience here.) What food did she suddenly eat when she got sick? I'm sure you've already checked for recalls. Are you going to have it tested?
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Poor Sophie! I don't blame you for being so concerned. It does look like it's in the ear area to me too.

In regards to her getting so sick recently. I was thinking about the time of year it is and everyone starting to do yard work and using chemicals on the yards and gardens. Do you think perhaps she walked in something like fertilizer or weed killer and then licked her feet? Our neighbors are really good about telling the dog people in our little community when they put something down on their lawns. There are only 6 of us in our gated community and 4 of us have dogs that we walk. However, a few years ago one of our neighbors lost their kitty and he thinks it was due to him putting down a weed and feed product on the lawn.
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From the video my feeling is that it could well be an ear problem. Is that a himalayan chew next to Sophie? If so, that would be a milk product which can contribute to ear problems. I hope you get to the root of the problem for Sophie's sake and your peace of mind, not to mention pocketbook.
It's an acadia moose antler (she's not had a himalayan chew I worry about the milk too). But that was a great thought. I am glad to hear you say it could be an ear problem too because I would love that way over allergies! I've had all kinds of problems in the past with my dogs but not ear ones so not familiar with it.

Thanks Boomama we'll take the support!

Pucks yes we have been going to a wonderful holistic vet for a few months now working on this. We go two to four times a month and it's an hour and a half away but with traffic often takes us 3-4 hours each way. Awful drive. But she's really good. Although puppy is still itching. We've been working on diet, NAET treatment, she's on supplements and herbs for the itching etc. Had the nutriscan saliva test with Dr Dodds and between them both found foods she has intolerances to. So diet changes, special shampoos, tonics...plus have tried western stuff, prescription antihistamines, etc etc but none have helped yet. So hopefully that further points to a possible ear issue. We are going to holistic vet again next week and she is putting her on a new diet again (home cooked) to address her tummy issues from last week. She doesn't like dogs under 1, older or with issues to have raw.

Sheri oh yes it brings me to tears! I feel so horrible for her I would take it on for her if I could. Yes breeder has been wonderful. He said he was awake most of the night thinking about all this. His puppies are usually so healthy. He doesn't know for sure of course but he thinks it's an ear thing also, possibly down deep where they can't see with an instrument and that she may have to be put under to really get a look. I am praying he's right and can fix this!

I agree about the food change! I've never had a dog get sick from a change in food at all much less to the critical point she did. I feed her Stella and Chewys frozen raw. Lately, because of her food intolerances, I've been going with the things not on the bad list so have been alternating between chicken and beef. So she's on one for up to 6 weeks then I take a few days to switch her to the other (and never seen any symptoms at all) for about 6 weeks etc. So she has been on chicken for about 6 weeks, it was time for me to switch her but was waiting until after that weekend so puppy sitter would not have to deal with remembering. But she ran out of chicken so on Saturday Sophie got both meals all chicken. Next morning she opened a new bag of food but didn't realize it was beef and not chicken. So Sophie got part chicken, part beef that morning. She said she seemed a little less active during that day (she was fine the day before silly and playing). For dinner she got all beef. I came home about 2 hours or so later and could tell something was wrong. Tail down, etc. Shortly after she vomited in a manner that would have landed her a role in the Exorcist. I think I may even have seen her head turn clear around! And by the next day she was critical (dehydration) and didn't eat at all for over 3 days (was in hospital the whole time).

I did track down a place in Iowa where I can send it in for testing. It is very expensive so I was waiting to see if we got a definitive diagnosis and knew it was not the food. But since we still don't know, I am going to call them tomorrow and see how to get this started. Yes there was a voluntary recall for Stella and Chewys raw about a year ago but it was not for beef and no animals had gotten sick from it. Their lab just found a trace of lysteria or something so they did a voluntary recall to be safe.

Thanks Jackie I was concerned about some kind of poison also. I don't use weed and feed or anything on my lawn, I'm a freak about anything toxic so don't have or use any sprays, etc. The sitter knows not to take Sophie out of the house only to the back yard that is securely fenced 6 ft. I don't even let her take her out the front door (we have a picket fence but a big dog could get over it so she's always on leash out there). Sitter did leave for about an hour that day which was fine we had talked about that and as I asked she had put her in a crate for the while she was gone.

So it could have been poison of some kind I guess, maybe a bird dropped something or?? But not likely and due to the timing of the food change would make it the top suspect. That was the other thing the breeder said, that he changes food on his dogs all the time and at worse one might have a little loose stool for one day but nothing like this.

I'll be praying hard for tainted food and ear problem! Never thought I'd be praying FOR that stuff lol.
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Oh and! Sad Sophie has left the building and crazy Sophie has entered the room! Totally out of control funny nutty puppy yesterday. Wonderful!
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