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Riki's skin problems...little red bumps

Riki is six. His parents weren't health tested as that wasn't such a big thing back then. Daisy has actually been my problem child with skin stuff. Each year vet visits for itching to the point of matting and losing coat. She has been on temaril p for seasonal itching and steroid shots, all of which worked a week or so and then back to itching.

My dogs have no fleas and eat a raw diet with all the best of everything. I have tried so many supplements and special things over the years.

Riki started itching around his eyes. Then itching his paws...not all over his body like Daisy does. Then I noticed little bumps all over his groin area that went away after a bit. I thought he had a food allergy reaction as I gave him some tuna so I didn't think too much of it. Then he started getting these little red bumps that turned into round dry skin patches. Then he started getting pink skin. I took him to the vets and they treated him like Daisy with the temaril p, steroid shot, and antibiotics. No improvement. Blood work done, and it appears that he might have a thyroid problem...which I understand is a big cause of itching, hair loss, and other problems in havanese.

He doesn't have the smell and itchy ears like those in the SA study. It is more a crusty dry patching small areas of the skin on the back of the legs, tail and losing coat around the last 1/4 of his back.

I have a call into the vet right now for a follow-up visit and more blood work. I understand it can be controlled with medication for life...good grief.

I guess this is another reason for health testing. I don't know how they would screen for thyroid issues.

Anyone else experience something like this?

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Linda, I am so sorry to hear this about Riki. We had a false alarm with Cash and Thyroid test back when he was having so much problem with his weight, and he also had these raised red bumps. In his Initial thyroid test one of the markers came up elevated. So my vet (as well as Kimberly on here) recommended that we send his blood to Hemopet which is Jean Dodds foundation and that they really have the best knowledge of Thyroid Issues with dogs. We were lucky that on further testing he was fine. But I am glad he got a thorough work up. it cost $25 for my vet to draw the blood and ship it. and $85 for the complete thyroid workup. And it was all arranged through my vets office

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What helped his skin at the time was a shampoo called ChlorhexiDerm 2% by DVM (8 oz) we washed him 3 times a week with it and dried him completely each time. His turned out to be bacterial and likely caused from being damp a lot of the time from going out in wet snow, wet grass, etc. We also treated each spot with Tresaderm which is an anti-bacterial/steroid liquid.

If you decide to try this to make him more comfortable while you wait for the thyroid tests use a heavy conditioner as the shampoo is drying.

I will keep my fingers crossed for you and Riki that it turns out to be something less permanent as well.




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Linda, so sorry to read of Riki's skin problems! It is so hard when they have health issues. I hope it is nothing serious and that you can figure out something to help him quickly. Missy has a good suggestion with Cash's experience, maybe that will give you something to try, especially the lab she suggested.

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Darn! I was hoping he was doing better. Since Dr. Dodds is practically in our backyard, maybe you could make an appt. for Riki to see her in person? I'd be more than happy to go w/you, if you'd like

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our vet...

Well, our vet hasn't called me back yet and it is time to go to work...so I'll have to wait to hear from him.

Thanks for your support...

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Poor Ricki! Itching can be soo mysterious. My mom's poor tzu has had terrible issues like this for as long a I can remember. They have done EVERYTHING imaginable-every test, every drug, restricted diets, and it's still not known what causes it. She's such a beautiful dog and I hate to see her uncomfortable. I hope Ricki can get some relief very soon.

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I guess this is another reason for health testing. I don't know how they would screen for thyroid issues.
Hi Linda,
I am sorry to hear that Ricki is having problems with itchy skin. That is so hard to diagnose since many things can cause itchy skin. To name a few,
fleas, other insect bites, dry skin, allergies, diet, shampoo, etc.

Breeders can screen for hypothyroidism by running a complete blood panel or just doing a blood test for thyroid only. It is thought to be genetic however, not for sure known as a fact. Most dogs can be treated effectively by taking medication daily and living a normal life otherwise. There is a lot of great information on the internet about it and Dr. Dobbs is a leader in this disorder.
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Linda- If I were you I would take some of the advice here and do a complete blood panel. I have done one on each of my dogs at about 2 years old. They take the blood and send it out and you get all kinds of numbers that they go over with you (I recently did Dashers and have 3 pages!) I would also think about what Leslie said and go to the best... she is right there! (Make sure if you have your vet do it, they know ahead of time because it has to be shipped specially)

But if they are still doing the testing for SA- why not try it? Didn't you say before Daisy has allergy and skin issues too? (Are they from the same breeder/line?)

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I was checking to see if you had gotten any news. I have no experience with these matters, but the above advice is very good.

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It isn't thyroid...

It is some weird skin thing. No fleas, not since last summer...but he could be having reaction from that last season. He is taking a new medication called Clemastine Fumerate which is an antihistamine for dogs. I'm going to switch his shampoo from the neem and try oatmeal again or sulfoxydex or the other one suggested.

I also switched his raw to lamb, has been on venison and see how that goes. By the way, they love the lamb.

We live in Southern California where we have desert winds blowing and ocean breezes. We have eucalyptus all over the place and rag weed...so there are many allergens around here in addition to the "smog" and chemicals from cars and buses.

I'll keep you posted.

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