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First Time Crystals in Urine

We have an appointment for xrays with the vet on Wednesday. Bella's urinalysis came back okay except for crystals. I need some information before seeing the vet.

Bella is 2 1/2 and hasn't had crystals discovered before. Can it come from food? She's on Wellness now but has been on Natural Balance before that.

If she has positive xrays, what food would you suggest? Moist canned food?

The vet mentioned putting her on Science Diet if she had stones but I don't like that brand. If I have an alternative brand, I can suggest something.

Can this be genetic? Can it be fatal? What should I look for?
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We have an appointment for xrays with the vet on Wednesday. Bella's urinalysis came back okay except for crystals. I need some information before seeing the vet.

Can it come from food? She's on Wellness now but has been on Natural Balance before that.
I'm no vet but I say yes it can come be from the food. My Smarty had several bouts with UTI and crystals. She had gone on Natural Balance Duck and Potato (Sweet) for a food allergy. After several months she started having UTI. I did a little research and info from the many helpful members of this forum lead me to take her off the NB. She is now on a form of raw diet and doing fine.

Some of the research is now showing too much of a good thing can be bad. The sugar from the sweet potatoes in the Natural Balance can be part of the crystal problem.

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I'm no vet but I say yes it can come be from the food. My Smarty had several bouts with UTI and crystals. She had gone on Natural Balance Duck and Potato (Sweet) for a food allergy. After several months she started having UTI. I did a little research and info from the many helpful members of this forum lead me to take her off the NB. She is now on a form of raw diet and doing fine.

Some of the research is now showing too much of a good thing can be bad. The sugar from the sweet potatoes in the Natural Balance can be part of the crystal problem.
Allergies was why we switched to Sweet Potato/Fish. I didn't know that about sweet potatoes. I just can't wrap my arms around the raw diet. Any other ideas? Maybe canned, but what brand would be best?
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Many of the better kibble brands do not have the sugar that is in NB. I switched to EVO, with no potatoes or grain. Search this site for food allergies, crystals, UTI and you will come up with some great info.

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Nancy, you might want to pm Katie from MopTopHavanese. I know a couple of her dogs had crystals and I believe it was thought to possibly have something to do with their food, i.e. Canidae.

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Is the high protein in a food like Evo hard on their kidneys? Even the canned EVO.
The more I research, the more opinions I find. I just don't know what to feed her tomorrow morning.
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You might want to switch to canned. Here is part of an article on the importance of water.
Pets who eat mostly canned food or a home prepared diet automatically take in more moisture
than those eating kibble, so they do not need to compensate as much by drinking and
excrete less concentrated urine. Contrary to what many people think and pet food companies
claim, dogs (and cats even more so) do not instinctively know how much extra water they
have to drink to make up for what is lacking in dry food.
A greater incidence of bladder diseases and stones/crystals in animals eating dry food is one
result. An increasing number of American Veterinary Medical Association members, including
board-certified veterinary nutritionists, are now strongly recommending the feeding of canned
food only instead of dry kibble to cats, but the issue has not been officially addressed in dogs,
since they have a slightly better ability to compensate by drinking from their water bowl.
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My previous dog Sasha was a rescue, she was a mix of who knows what [terrier, lasso, yorkie?]. She suffered from frequent UTI's & bladder crystals. We found out that she had crystals in her urine when she got very ill after a stone became stuck in her urethra. She underwent surgery to remove the stone and recovered from it. We kept her on Prescription Diet CD for the remainder of her life and limited her treats to simple things like egg and chicken and the occasional greenie. One time, I gave her a greenies too many days in a row and she got a horrible UTI with blood in her urine. After that I was more strict with her diet and her UTI's became less frequent. I know its not the best food, but in Sasha's case I think it helped her stay healthy. I don't want to worry you.....as Sasha was much older and had some other health problems. You are catching it at a young age. Who knows how long Sasha had this problem before I rescued her. We lost her to lymphoma almost a year ago.....so it wasn't the crystals that caused her to be ill. If the crystals get large, it can be dangerous and require surgery. So you definitely want to do what you can with her diet to keep them from forming/break them up. If your vet can't help you choose a better food, maybe another vet can? Or maybe there's a specialist in your area that can give you a consultation on diet for crystals?

You asked what to look for... I knew when Sasha had a UTI when she would pee frequently on a walk. Not just the usual marking....but squat to pee every few steps and not much would come out. Or sometimes there would be blood in her urine.

Good luck with Bella!
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I have bichons, not havs - yet - and bichons are notorious for bladder problems. After - as we fondly refer to it - "The Summer of Bladder Infections Across the Country" as we travelled in our motor home all summer. We started in New Mexico with one dog developing a UTI, follow up in Colorado for that one later. Then in Jackson Hole, WY our previously asymptomatic girl started peeing blood - turns out that she had been silently brewing her own golf-ball sized stone - without symptoms. We never thought to have her checked since she wasn't exhibiting any symptoms.

Both girls now are Royal Canin Urinary SO, which has thankfully kept everything under control for years.
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My Frannie has had crystals in her urine-make sure that you watch the diet-they can't have any vitamin C or vitamin D-you can get strips and check the Ph balance each day if you want-I have Frannie's urine checked every two-three months.

Since she has had oxalate stones I do watch her diet-but with her heart problem the meds she is on for that can bring on crystals-after she reaches 13 I am going to throw out the diet food and just let her enjoy whatever she wants to eat. I do give the "kids" home made beef & chicken jerky.

I would ask the vet if there is a possibility that the crystals will form stones-

I also use only distilled water-since tap water and even spring water has stuff in it Frannie can't have.

I am working toward getting her on a balanced home cooked diet-it's just a lot of crazy things that has to be worked out before that can happen.

Good luck and keep us posted

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