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Another bout of diarrhea

Sadly, I am seeing that our issues are not uncommon here. Not sure if that makes me feel better or not. Someone wrote, our pup has been on chicken and rice more than any other food. I can so relate. It is 8:11am here and trying to wait patiently for the vet's office to open at 9 am. I cannot believe our puppy has diarrhea again. It is pure liquid. I feel like we cannot leave the house for fear that he will get sick. Here is a little bit of our story that I posted on another thread:

We have an 8 mth old and he has been to the vet every month since we got him. 2 of the 6 months have not been for stomach issues. In May he had a bacterial infection with colitis. Now he has colitis again. He just finished Metrodinazole on Friday 8/26. He had a recurrence of diarrhea on Wed, then blood in his vomit on Thursday. This morning he woke me up and has had liquid stools for about 3 hours now.

We went to ER yesterday and they just think blood was from a tear in his espoghaus when he vomited. They think he vomited from lack of food in his stomach (which he has done before). They did x-rays but they showed healthy GI.

Now waiting for the vet's office to open. They told us Wed they would put him back on Metrodinazole if he still had diarrhea.

(sigh) We never thought we would get a dog (allergies) and now this puppy has been so sick it breaks our hearts daily.

We aren't sure if it is food or something else. He eats (when not eating chicken & rice & pumpkin) a meatloaf recipe from our vet: 2 lbs of ground meat (beef, turkey or chicken), 3 eggs, Honest Kitchen Preference, & rice. He will seem fine on that for a few days then a bout of soft stools, settles, then ok, then more diarrhea. Some bouts last longer so we get medication. He also eats baked chicken or turkey as treats or toppings to the meatloaf. The vet thought he was allergic to dry kibble so he gets none of that ever, but we still are seeing a consistent healthy pup.

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So sorry you are going through this with your dog. We had many months of on and off diarrhea with Molly between age 1 and 2. Always negative stool cultures and no parasites. Metronidizole would help clear it up, along with probiotics and bland diets. We got to the point where the vet wanted to put her on a prescription diet (which my picky girl wouldn't eat anyway). I finally told the vet that I wanted to try a limited ingredient diet with her. She has responded very well to having a single protein source in her food and treats. We are using lamb. I do feel that chicken and turkey did not agree with her and were part of her past problems. I was very surprised with how many foods and treats contain them, even when they are listed as being a different flavor like beef. I also give her a daily probiotic and some raw lamb as a topper. I hope you can find a diet that will help your little guy. It may require research and trial and error on your part. I feel that vets can be too quick to push the prescription foods they sell when there are much healthier alternatives that should be tried first. Good luck and I hope your boy feels better soon.
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How do you cook the lamb? I am not a cook for the humans in the house, so cooking for the dog is new.
How do you determine how much to give her and what do you add to get the balance nutrients?

Have you done pork tenderloin? Our vet's book recommends very lean pork if the dog cannot tolerate chicken or turkey.
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I am using Nature's Variety limited ingredient Lamb and Peas kibble topped with either freeze dried or frozen raw lamb, also by the same company. I would be too afraid to do home cooking, for fear of not having a nutritionally balanced diet. I tried pork first(Acana brand) but my picky eater didn't like it. I went to lamb next and she loves it. I believe there are several brands of quality dog food that offer single protein source using pork that you could try.



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I am using Nature's Variety limited ingredient Lamb and Peas kibble topped with either freeze dried or frozen raw lamb, also by the same company. I would be too afraid to do home cooking, for fear of not having a nutritionally balanced diet. I tried pork first(Acana brand) but my picky eater didn't like it. I went to lamb next and she loves it. I believe there are several brands of quality dog food that offer single protein source using pork that you could try.

Thank you. As a non-cook, I feel like a company with single ingredient food is a ray of hope. I'll mention this to the vet when he calls back today.
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How do you cook the lamb? I am not a cook for the humans in the house, so cooking for the dog is new.
How do you determine how much to give her and what do you add to get the balance nutrients?

Have you done pork tenderloin? Our vet's book recommends very lean pork if the dog cannot tolerate chicken or turkey.
Even though I REALLY like THK food, even if you switch proteins, it is FAR from a limited ingredient diet. That.s why we ended up having to talk Kodi off it. Fortunately, there are a number of good quality commercial limited ingredient foods available. I use Nature's Variety, which has a number of different limited ingredient formulas available in both canned and kibble. I currently feed Limited Ingredient Duck, which seems to agree with all of my guys, but I know they also have lamb and turkey. (Not sure what else)

I OFTEN use lean pork loin for training treats. It is a less expensive protein than lamb, usually leaner, and well tolerated by many dogs. Because I use it for training treats, I roast it whole, somewhat more well done than I would for people. This makes it dryer, and easier to cube.

If I were doing home made with either lamb or pork, I'd choose my cuts of whole meat, then ask the butcher's department to grind it for me. Then I'd cook it on the stove with just enough water to keep it from sticking to the pan. Make sure you cook it JUST through... The more you cook it, the more nutrients you lose. (That's what I did with chicken too... Had the butcher shop grind it for me)


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So sorry you are going through this with your dog. We had many months of on and off diarrhea with Molly between age 1 and 2. Always negative stool cultures and no parasites. Metronidizole would help clear it up, along with probiotics and bland diets. We got to the point where the vet wanted to put her on a prescription diet (which my picky girl wouldn't eat anyway). I finally told the vet that I wanted to try a limited ingredient diet with her. She has responded very well to having a single protein source in her food and treats. We are using lamb. I do feel that chicken and turkey did not agree with her and were part of her past problems. I was very surprised with how many foods and treats contain them, even when they are listed as being a different flavor like beef. I also give her a daily probiotic and some raw lamb as a topper. I hope you can find a diet that will help your little guy. It may require research and trial and error on your part. I feel that vets can be too quick to push the prescription foods they sell when there are much healthier alternatives that should be tried first. Good luck and I hope your boy feels better soon.
Just curious, Diane. You said Molly is picky and so I was wondering how long she has been on the diet you are currently giving her? Zoe is also and has always been picky and won't stay on any one diet too long. Maybe a few days or a week. I know variety is good for them but it makes things a little tougher for me. And if/when her stomach is off, she just refuses all food for a day or so. Then I will offer her a little bit of chicken and that seems to settle things. I am thinking of trying one of those limited ingredient diets.
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Tucker is on Limited Ingredient food, too. Chicken and lamb didn't work for him. He eats duck LID's, too, like Karen's Kodi. There are several good brands out there. You have to just choose one, with a different protein than what you've been feeding, stick with it long enough to see how it works. No diarrhea? Great, stick with it. Diarrhea? After giving it a chance, switch proteins. Be sure to give good probiotics with each meal, also.

I feed Primal Raw Limited Ingredient Duck to Tucker, and he also does well with an occasional canned LID duck meal, too. Nature's Variety is a good brand. Zignature was a brand recommended to me by Dr. Dodds in California, but they only have canned and kibble versions.

I hope it is just a matter of finding the right protein and LID for your sweet little boy.

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As far as single-source animal protein foods go, Nature's Variety LID and Zignature are going to be some of your best bets, and then there is PureVita, but that's a bit of a step down as far as quality goes. If you are okay with going raw, Stella & Chewy's is single-source on the formulas that have just one protein in the name (beef, lamb, chicken, venison, etc), though it may also have fish oils, and fish is a problem for some. Depending on where you live, Raw Bistro is another option (single-source, LID, fish oil free).

Many brands are beginning to roll out single-source LID as allergies are, unfortunately, becoming more prevalent in our pets.

Hope this clears up for you soon. Diarrhea is horrible already, and our guys' fluffy butts make it that much worse. Your poor pup

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Just curious, Diane. You said Molly is picky and so I was wondering how long she has been on the diet you are currently giving her? Zoe is also and has always been picky and won't stay on any one diet too long. Maybe a few days or a week. I know variety is good for them but it makes things a little tougher for me. And if/when her stomach is off, she just refuses all food for a day or so. Then I will offer her a little bit of chicken and that seems to settle things. I am thinking of trying one of those limited ingredient diets.
Molly has been on this diet for about a year now. It has been a miracle for us as far as no more soft or watery stools. She also will go to her dish and gobble down the whole bowl which is something she never did before. She definitely prefers kibble and will still refuse canned food. I just moisten the kibble and add the raw on top, which she loves. We have only had one episode of diarrhea since she started this diet. It was immediately following her being boarded for the weekend and I believe it was due to stress or something she picked up there.
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