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Long post but need thoughts/suggestions!

I am having an issue with Rex and Leo's ears. Rexy started having ear issues in April. His ears were red and produced a thick dark wax. I worked with our vet through the Spring and Summer to no avail. We treated with antibiotic ointment that went in the ears and homeopathy remedies. I tried apple cidar vinegar, witch hazel and distilled water ear rinse. I changed his diet from kibble to Darwin's frozen raw which he ate for 2 months then wouldn't eat anymore, back to a different kibble then to Primal Freeze-dried raw beef which he is eating now. About the time we started the Primal i also added the Proviable-DC and Only Natural Pet Immune Strengthener. The dark wax cleared up and I thought I was on a solution to the ear issue. I put Leo on the Primal, Proviable-DC and Immune Strengthener as well because we were going on vacation and the frozen raw was too much trouble to take with us. The other change I made at this time was to switch to CC Fair Advantage Shampoo. Though both dogs seem fine in all other ways, they have both have ear issues. Rex no longer has thick dark wax in his ears (yeast I think) but now his ears and Leo's ears are very red and some itchy and are just getting worse. I have to do something to figure this out.

If they were yours where would you start? My inclination is to stop everything I am currently doing and go to something else but what? When I was feeding before I changed to the Primal I was using turkey and duck primarily with sweet potato treats and some fish based food and treats.

When I switched to the Primal beef Rexy's ears stopped producing the thick dark wax. Leo was fine on the Darwin's and I still have some but honestly I really don't like messing with the frozen raw and DH refuses to even try to feed the pups for me with the frozen raw. Both pups ears are red and somewhat itchy though not intensely so. I started putting coconut oil and lavender oil in them last night just to try to soothe the inflamed skin. It did seem to help with the itch but the ears are still red. Obviously this isn't the source to the inflammation.

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My pup, Mayzie, was diagnosed with sarcoptic mange. Oh how those ears itched! What I did to comfort the itch while the mange was being treated was to rub coconut oil all over it a few times a day. It seemed to soak in and disappear, almost like hand sanitizer. I also heated it up and added about a tablespoon to her kibble (Wellness TruFood grain-free slow cooked raw). As far as whether it helped her immune system or anything, I can't say, but as far as a soothing treatment, that worked.

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i would suggest Jean Dodds Nutriscan testing and go from there. NutriScan Food Sensitivity and Intolerance Test for Cats and Dogs - Dr. Dodds
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Here is my 10 cents which is worth, at most, 2 cents. I treat Ricky's ear with Ori-Optic once a month as a prophylactic. Ori-Optic is available at the chain pet stores as well as on-line without a prescription. I also keep the hair clipped very short at the entrance to his inner ear. All this was recommended to me by Ricky's Vet. Ricky was experiencing ear infections until I started this regimen, and he has not had any problems since.

All dogs are different. What works for one my not work for another. You may want to try what I do, but I won't recommend that it will work.

Good luck to your two little boys. Your Vet may need to prescribe an anti-inflammatory medication for them. I don't think it has anything to do with the food.

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Tux developed a swollen itchy red ear in one ear. The Vet treated the infection. Cured.
As a preventative she recommended several things. I have followed her instructions, and there have been no more ear issues.

One: Keep hair pulled out of inner ears. (It can literally matt inside the ear canal and you can't see it)
Two: Keep water out of the ear canals when bathing. (stuff with cotton balls and avoid water near the insides of the ear)
Three: flush both ears especially after bathing with Ketoseb + PS Flush and dry ears afterward. (makes the ears smell really good too).

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I seems strange that both Rex and Leo are having ear issues... Just thinking it would probably be a good idea to keep the ears dry. My two have the hair in the ear canal plucked during grooming. The groomer uses a special powder first and then plucks. We have never had any ear problems. I know the raw diet is supposed to be the best, but I don't feel comfortable feeding raw. I think I would find a one ingredient kibble. I know a friends dog has a lot of skin allergies and the only food that doesn't cause a problem is rabbit. I have no idea what might work...Have you tried cooking their food? Then you would know there are no additives.
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Chronic ear problems are SO often food intolerance, but just changing from one commercial food to another can be an exercise in futility if you don't know WHAT food is causing the problem. WhenKodi was at his worst, my (integrative practice) vet suggested a two prong approach. First she put him on a temporary VERY limited ingredient diet, to get all but tow foods out of his system. It was JUST ground turkey and sweet potato. She says this can't, of course be a permanent diet, but it is close enough to complete that she feels comfortable leaving a dog on it for 6-8 weeks to get all other reactions to potential "problem floss" to settle down. At the same time, we did the Nutriscan testing. When it came back, we reintroduced a diet that avoided all of his problem foods. He still has some allergy issues, but they are WAY, WAY less then before.

I had tried a bunch of different foods too, and things would appear to get better for a while then would worsen again. Now I know that the culprit was fish. When I heard that he was HIGHLY reactive to fish, I was perplexed, because, to my knowledge, I'd never fed him fish. (because I hate the smell of fish-based foods) Then i started reading ingredients lists more carefully, and further down... MANY commercial dog foods, including very high quality ones, contain fish oil, because it's GOOD for most dogs... NOT good for Kodi. I doubt we ever would have tracked this down without Nutriscan testing.
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I would also consider the groomer who is plucking their ears. If they don't wash and sterilize their tweezers, then think how easy it would be to pass infection from one dog to another. You can pluck their ear hairs very easily if you do it often while the hairs are still few and fine. Then apply the antiseptic flush, and dry.
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Our groomer plucks with her finger tips. I remember she mentioned using tweezers isn't a good idea.

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...One: Keep hair pulled out of inner ears. (It can literally matt inside the ear canal and you can't see it)
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I second this. My vet regularly pulls the hair out of Mayzie's ears for me. He explained the same thing Nancy mentioned here.


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