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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 05-26-2010, 07:54 AM Thread Starter
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High Protein VS Low Protein

Some of you know that just a couple of days ago I posted a thread about Fergus' poopies being soft. So I started amending his diet. His poopies are improving quickly on the new food, which is Oijen. I am aware that this is a high protein food. The Blue that he was getting was 26% protein and now the Orijen is 38% protein. I have read in some other threads and on the web that high protein diets can cause liver problems. This is quite scary to me. I was hoping you all could give some opinions on the high vs low issue. I mean he seems to really love this food and he is doing well so far, I just don't want him to have issues down the road. So anyone who feeds this brand or has dealt with liver issues or has any insight into this, I would appreciate the comments and help
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Jenn, there are many threads about this here on the forum, so I'll post a few below that you can check out. However, high protein diets do NOT cause liver or kidney issues as some people say. It is a myth. Maybe 10, 12-20 yrs. ago, this could be the case but that was because companies were including a lot of 'ash' in their kibble, which means that a lot of bone from the animal was thrown in and that it was too much. Too much ash content can cause liver/kidney problems, but that is no longer an issue with high quality kibble, such as Orijen (not to mention dozens of others). Check out www.dogfoodanalysis.com for a look at great kibble products.

IF your dog already has organ trouble, then a high protein diet is not recommended, but it will not cause organ trouble. Here are some links to threads here and to sites on the web. Hope that helps.

http://havaneseforum.com/showthread....hlight=protein

http://havaneseforum.com/showthread....hlight=protein

This article: http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index....e=protein_myth




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Here's another site: http://doggybytes.ca/vet-protein-har...-kidneys/2244/

Quote: "The following statements are quoted from CANINE AND FELINE NUTRITION by Case, Carey and Hirakawa, Published by C.V.Mosby, 1995 Source: The Pet Center

“There is no conclusive evidence showing that protein intake actually contributes to the development of kidney dysfunction in healthy animals.” (page 117)

“It is recommended that the protein in the diet of geriatric dogs should not be restricted simply because of old age.” (page 256)

“In general, high-quality animal source proteins provide superior amino acid balances for companion animals, compared with the amino acid balances that are supplied by grain proteins.” (page 174) "





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I have a dog with a liver issue. She was born with a small liver and i have to be careful with high protein in her food. She has been on Denamarin for the last 3 years to help her liver metabolize more efficiently. She was on a special prescription diet for 2 years but now eats regular food because her alt levels tested normal for 2 years. I keep her foodat 24 to 25 percent protein because the vet recommended that she not eat food with high protein. My other dog has not had any liver issues and I am able to feed her any protein amount. However, I have had some vomiting issues with richer food so I keep it at 24% protein and have not had a problem. I am currently feed both with Fromm's Chicken Ala Vegetable and have not had a problem.
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I think the bigger risk is that the kidneys are taxed when feeding these high protein diets. I used to feed Orijen and the dogs are constantly drinking drinking drinking water and peeing up a storm. They need the extra water intake to properly break down and metabolize the high amount of protein in the food. It is too hard on their kidneys, and frankly according to my vet, there is no need to feed such high protein to a companion dog - a working, hunting or mushing dog yes - but not a toy dog.
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Arlene, that's really interesting about the water. It's funny because when I got Roscoe he always drank a lot of water, but as soon as we transferred him off the food the breeder was feeding (Purina Pro Plan Puppy - I know, but that's another story), he seemed to start drinking LESS! I wonder why that is...he definitely doesn't drink a ton or pee a lot.

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Chandler has been on Orijen since we brought him home at 8 weeks, he loves it, but Arlene you raise a good point, as he does drink and pee a lot. Hmmm, might be time to research other dog foods.

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I have a female Hav named Lola. She started having small seizures months ago. After many tests and no diagnosis I asked my vet to to a bile acid test. Her levels were off -I am going to Cornell University on Thursday to get more help. BUt I did assume it was a liver disease and cut back on her protein - I'm making her homemade food ( turkey, sweet potato, oatmeal and green beans ) and no seizures in three weeks. Can you recommend a commercial dog food other than Hills prescription. What worked for your dog. THanks Sheri
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JetersMom, I used to feed my previous Hav with liver disease Solid Gold Holistique. It has 18% protein. This was approved by her specialist. I eventually had to go to home cooking in the later stages when her appetite got worse, but the Holistique worked for quite awhile. The lowered protein for her was really important, as she'd get very nauseous and throw up if the protein level was higher than her liver could tolerate. I hope this helps.

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Hmm, I always thought it was good for them to drink a lot and pee a lot. Flushes out their kidneys.

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