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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 04-08-2017, 04:39 PM Thread Starter
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Definitely Need Feedback To Make A Decision

I need help from you forum gurus and am hoping you have some experience with this or some good suggestions on what I should do.
Last week I took Ollie in to the vet to have them run a thyroid test. His coat is dry and breaking in one area and he has been gaining weight. In fairness to Ollie we have just gone through an absolutely brutal winter and walking was pretty much impossible most of the time. The really bad weather started in October, (very early) and has just ended now. I think the weight gain had a lot to do with that, I normally walk the boys twice a day. Dry hair has always been a struggle with him, but we live in an extremely dry climate and winter is really bad in that way. Having said all that his thyroid came back normal. We did the full testing too to make sure it would be accurate. Now the vet wants me to put him on Royal Canin Vet Hydrolized Protein Diet. This is my problem. It took a lot of trial and error to find a food he likes and is happy to eat. Bonus Hershey likes it too. They are on Petcurean Now, Grain Free for Small Breed. It is a really good quality food without a lot of stuff I can't pronounce. The vet food, on the other hand, when I read the ingredients the first ingredient was Brewer's Rice and they followed by a whole shwack of things I cannot pronounce. She said she wants to put him on this because she thinks it might be allergies. The thing is he doesn't show any signs of allergies. He has perfect stools no issues with gas or diarhea, he doesn't have an itching problem, no skin irritation and no ear infections. The only thing is his coat. If I change food and he happens to like it and it doesn't make any difference I would want to go back to my own food. The cost is going to be significant on this vet formula and I wouldn't continue if it didn't help. If that was the case I am worried he might not go back to his regular food. My gut is telling me this could be an exercise in futility, but I really don't know. The vet doesn't know either though and she is just trying it. It is not that simple for me with a picky eater that is on a food he really likes. Please everyone give me your opinion. What would you do?







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I am no expert, but I don't like any of the foods recommended by vets, myself. After living with terrible IBD and food sensitivities with my Tucker, I'd not change any food that was working for my dogs! Why experiment? Weight gain is probably exercise related, as you already think.

How about adding coconut oil for the skin and coat? Or other healthy supplements?
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I agree with Sheri. With no symptoms of allergies, why change food (to a lesser quality food!) just for dry hair. I think I'd try floating his coat in conditioner a few times before switching his food.
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Thanks Sheri and Karen. I like the supplement idea, his food already has deboned salmon and omega 3 and 6 oils, but coconut oil is an interesting idea. I would have to be careful so as not to cause loose stools, but I am sure there are formulas for dogs out there. Karen what exactly is floating his coat, I have never heard that expression? Could you expand on it for me please?







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I agree with Sheri and Karen, if there is no sign of allergies and he is doing well on his current food, I'd leave well enough alone and look for other remedies. Petcurean (Now) is an awesome company and food! If Ollie likes it and is doing well on it, I wouldn't change. I use the small breed kibble for my heeler and for low value training treats for Layla. I also, really like their canned varieties for my heeler and sometimes Layla. I would also suggest trying coconut oil. Both my dogs get it every day and they both have coats to die for. I give Layla a tiny bit (about 1/4 tsp) on top of her Primal and she eats it right up. You might also try an enzyme/probiotic supplement, if you don't already use one. That would help him to utilize all the nutrients you are feeding him, so he can get the most benefit. I feed mine Honest Kitchens goat milk. It is a dry formula that you add water to. I use it to soften their freeze dried food and it works great, but there are tons of other probiotics out there. I also LOVE Warren London's Hydrating Butter for my dogs. I just rub some all over their coats after grooming or baths and it really keeps their coats shiny and conditioned. I hope some of this helps and good luck.




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No advise on the food- but think the others advice is great. I like the coconut oil idea- I had that on my list but haven't picked any up yet.

In regards to the breaking hair...
I have a friend that is a hairstylist. My hair at one point was super dry and breaking- she recommended a specific shampoo/conditioner/reconstruct-er that has
hydrolyzed keratin in it. It moisturizers and strengthens the hair. I could tell after using it for a bit that my hair had more elasticity to it and wasn't breaking as much.
Over 25 years later I am still using it and I use it on my daughter who has almost waist length, pretty & shiny hair.
I actually use the conditioner in a spray bottle watered down on my Lil Hav Girly during combing and love how soft it makes her between baths. I use the conditioner full strength on her when bathing as well. hahah she smells just like me and my daughter when she is done!

Now that you know the history & my train of thought ...

I did a quick google search out of curiosity after reading your post & thinking of dry breaking hair to see if there are actual dog products with hydrolyzed keratin in them and there is a few!
I think I might give this one a try so mine lasts longer! It's not cheap!
https://petology.net/products/kerati...nt=27335483014
They have shampoo and conditioner in the same keratin line... and free shipping! I'll try them all and report back.
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Thanks Sheri and Karen. I like the supplement idea, his food already has deboned salmon and omega 3 and 6 oils, but coconut oil is an interesting idea. I would have to be careful so as not to cause loose stools, but I am sure there are formulas for dogs out there. Karen what exactly is floating his coat, I have never heard that expression? Could you expand on it for me please?
You bathe the dog, then fill the sink or a tub with warm water, deep enough for the dog to stand with just their head and neck out of the water. You add a good amount of conditioner (of choice, but I like CC Spectrum 10) to the water. Then you stand the dog in the water for about 5 minutes, scooping water up over any exposed parts of the dog. They usually don't mind it, and stand nice and still... I think it feels good! The idea is to let the conditioner really soak into the hair.

You can also get the same results by applying conditioner to the wet dog, wrapping the dog in towels and letting it soak in that way for 5-8 minutes, then back in the sink or tub to rinse. But I don't think the dog stays as warm that way, and mine end up getting squirmy. Plus, then you have towels coated with conditioner, and need a new set of towels is needed after rinsing the dog.


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Thanks so much everyone for all the great info. I am going to take your advice. I was definitely feeling the same way, but it is good to have some confirmation that it is the right thing to do. I will let you all know if the coconut oil, conditioning treatments and your advice too Dave makes a difference.
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You bathe the dog, then fill the sink or a tub with warm water, deep enough for the dog to stand with just their head and neck out of the water. You add a good amount of conditioner (of choice, but I like CC Spectrum 10) to the water. Then you stand the dog in the water for about 5 minutes, scooping water up over any exposed parts of the dog. They usually don't mind it, and stand nice and still... I think it feels good! The idea is to let the conditioner really soak into the hair.

You can also get the same results by applying conditioner to the wet dog, wrapping the dog in towels and letting it soak in that way for 5-8 minutes, then back in the sink or tub to rinse. But I don't think the dog stays as warm that way, and mine end up getting squirmy. Plus, then you have towels coated with conditioner, and need a new set of towels is needed after rinsing the dog.
I did this on Saturday, not knowing it was a "thing". Usually, Chi Chi looks a scraggly mess a day after bathing so I tried filling the tub more than usual (I didn't think to go up to her neck) to give her something to play with and saturated her in conditioner while we played with a tub toy. Her coat was soft and shiny afterwards and 3 days in she still looks great.
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