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Stay away from chemicals to treat fleas and ticks

Hello all, it has been a very long time since I have logged on to the Havanese forum, however, I feel to compelled to tell you guys about what happend to my baby.

He had been ichy for about 2 weeks now and when I checked him had a Flea or Tick (couldnt tell the difference) on him, this had occured about 3 times during the 2 weeks. The third time I had just had enough and I immediately bathed him with flea and tick shampoo and against my better judgement went straight to Petsmart and bought Zodiac Flea and Tick spray. I sprayed my carpeting and vacated my apartment with JJ for atleast 6 hours and it seemed to be dry when I got back home. JJ (my puppy) ate, played around the apt and went to bed. This morning he woke me up my vomiting and when I took him out he had Diarrhea and some blood in his stool. It only got worst from there! He started leaking blood out of his rectum and could not stop pooping blood, he also threw up 2 more times. I made an appt to go to the Vet and unfortunately the vet did not think it had anything to do with the Zodiac spray, he said it could have been something he ate. He said that JJ was dehydrated due to the vomiting and diarrhea and of course 200.00 later he prescribed him some meds and bland foods. I refuse to believe that it could have been anything else. I know it had to do with the Zodiac spray and now I am so worried and im praying that JJ gets better because I read that these chemicals could be fatal.

Moral of the story: please do not use any of those sprays or chemicals, it is not worth it!

Any advice would also be greatly appreciated as well!!!
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yep, I totally agree.

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I am so very sorry to hear that your pup got so sick. Of course you're right and it's the Zodia spray! It contains Permethrin which can cause some of these problems:

Liver and lung tumors (possible human carcinogen)
Kidney enlargement, changes in lung
Tremors, in-coordination, elevated body temperature, increased aggressive
behavior, learning disruption
Fertility is affected
Bone marrow changes in laboratory animals

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One of the owners at the store I work at printed out a warning about this product and ingredient as we used to sell that very same spray. Not good! I hope your pup is doing o.k. now. What a horrible scare!

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I hope JJ recovers and is feeling well soon. I'm sending him healing thoughts and giving you the advice you requested. Please let us know how he's doing.

I haven't used any chemicals on my puppy. I am very anti-chemicals whether it's for me or for my pets! I've only had him 6 weeks, but I have bathed him 3 times (whenever I saw a flea on him) and used diluted apple cider vinegar as his final rinse. It seems to keep the fleas away for about two weeks. (I comb him every day and always check for fleas.)

I decided to add something called Flea Treats. It's a Vitamin B complex tablet flavored with real liver and they use Brewer's yeast as a base for the tablet. I just started him on them 6 days ago and they typically begin to work within 10 to 20 days. They're a natural repellent to keep the fleas away. I bought them at and they were shipped for free and have a money-back guarantee if not completely satisfied so I figure I can't lose trying them.

Meanwhile, throw out the flea shampoo! Use a good natural pet shampoo and diluted ACV as a final rinse after the conditioner. (I'm using Plush Puppy.) Any soapy water will kill fleas. Between shampoos, use a flea comb. Dip it in soapy water between passes through JJ's coat to kill any fleas trapped in the comb and wipe it on a paper towel or rag after dipping it.

Flea Treats will keep the fleas off JJ but it won't kill the fleas if they're in your apartment. Instead of using chemicals, use 20 Mule Team Borax on your carpets and upholstery. It will dehydrate the fleas. It's safer but it's still best to keep pets off the carpet until you vacuum up the borax. Leave the borax on for 3 to 4 hours, then vacuum and dispose of the vacuum cleaner bag in an outside trash can.

I hope this helps and I hope there's no other cause for JJ's bleeding and vomiting.

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Hi Guys! What about [email protected]!ne Plus for fleas and ticks. We have deer in our backyard everyday and our Vet strongly suggested it as well as [email protected]@rd for hearworm prevention. Would LOVE to hear your ideas on this!! (I put the brands in "code" to prevent any issues) ~Pamela

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Not all soapy water kills fleas. It has to be thick enough (or oily enough) to suffocate them. Fleas actually breathe through their skin. The soapy water clogs their pores and prevents the intake of oxygen.

Dish soap actually works really well because it is so thick. But I wouldn't wash my dogs in dish soap because it really does a number on their coat!

Although I can't remember the specific brand right now, there is a natural flea shampoo on the market. Has oatmeal to help soote the bites, and I've found it to be pretty good. But again, not the best for the coat. So I always end up doing a heavy conditioner and a REALLY good rinse after that.
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I really like essential oils for lots of things, fleas and ticks included, but I truly think some of the old school products are more dangerous than something like Comfortis or Capstar. Biospot is one that I've read is really dangerous and should be pulled off the shelves. I remember when I had my schipperkes and the poor babies enduring flea dips, Adams sprays, etc. Dreadful stuff.
I don't use anything on my two (they really don't go outside much now-way too hot). DE is great stuff also, ditto on the Borax.
Sorry your little guy fell ill, hope he's feeling better very soon.

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Originally Posted by Pamelabous View Post
Hi Guys! What about [email protected]!ne Plus for fleas and ticks. We have deer in our backyard everyday and our Vet strongly suggested it as well as [email protected]@rd for hearworm prevention. Would LOVE to hear your ideas on this!! (I put the brands in "code" to prevent any issues) ~Pamela
A variety of common flea and tick products contain chemicals called organophosphate insecticides (OPs) and carbamates, both of which have been linked to brain damage, endocrine system problems and certain kinds of cancer. An overdose can kill people and pets. Even with normal use, organophosphate products can pose a serious health risk. Each year, Americans purchase and apply to their pets a vast array of toxic chemicals intended to kill fleas and ticks. These include collars, sprays, dusts and more. Other pet owners take their pets to veterinarians to be dipped in chemicals. Many consumers probably assume that the products they and their vets use have been subjected to rigorous testing, and must, by virtue of their very ubiquity, be safe. After all, how could the government let deadly poisons be sold on grocery store shelves without applying stringent standards? Spot-On Pesticides such as Frontline, Zodiac, Defend, Bio Spot, Adams and Advantage trigger adverse reactions in dogs and cats, shorten life spans, cause terminal illness, and premature death.

The active ingredients in these solutions include chemicals such as imidacloprid, fipronil, permethrin, methoprene, and pyriproxyfen, all of which have caused serious health problems in animals in laboratories. Even some of the inert ingredients can be hazardous to your animal companion’s health. Other forms of flea control—powders, collars, and sprays—are no less dangerous to you or your companion animals. Labels may warn not to get these substances on your skin, to wash your hands after applying it, and to keep it away from children, yet these chemicals are absorbed by your animal’s skin. Immediate effects of pesticide overdose include vomiting, diarrhea, trembling, seizures, and respiratory problems. If your dog or cat shows any of these symptoms after the application of a pesticide, immediately wash the product off and seek veterinary care.
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I do the ACV like Barbara and have been for several years with no treatment. Even taking into consideration what you are putting on your dog and their health, I just really don't like the idea of putting posion on my dogs who sleep in my bed. I do think it is a personal choice and take in consideration your area and where you live. Ironically the only time one of my dogs got fleas, she was on medication!

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Todd is really allergic to flea bites and so he's usually dosed with Revolution during the summer since it repels the fleas but generally DE and Borax in the carpet keeps the house flea free.
I stayed at my sister's house last week (she has a cat) with Todd and thought nothing of it until I started seeing little black dots on his face..yep, fleas So...that means that the dose of revolution that he had a week before our trip isn't working for him and I'm back to square 1.. I'd like to keep it natural but with his allergies I have to be sure that it's going to work..anyone know of any natural remedies or products that are truly effective?

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