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Puppy Teeth and Surgery

So Henry had oral surgery on Friday.

Our vet had noted about 6 weeks ago that he had 'abnormalities" on his gums and that none of his puppy premolars had come in, which normally happens by about 8 weeks.

He was examined by a veterinary dentist who said that his premolars were imbedded in the gums and had not erupted as they should. This would cause more problems as his permanent teeth tried to come in as well. They don't know what causes this to happen although toy dogs are more prone to it. And Havanese are mentioned specifically as a breed it happens to. the surgery involves cutting the gums and removing excess tissue to allow the teeth to erupt and to extract any teeth not in the correct position.

It was so hard to leave him at the dentist knowing they were going to hurt him. But the good news was that they ended up only having to do his upper gums; the lower teeth were starting to erupt. And his teeth were positioned well and his permanent teeth are ready to come in. Actually they showed me some amazing X-rays where you can see both sets of teeth.

What was astonishing to me was his recovery. They called me shortly after he was out of surgery and told me he had already eaten his regular food! That night at home he was running around, chewing on toys. No signs he'd been through surgery.

So I'm posting this in case anyone else finds out their puppy's teeth haven't come in and this procedure is recommended. I was really worried before hand but it wasn't as bad as I had expected. he will need to have a follow up exam as his permanent teeth come in to ensure they are coming in correctly. Dogs that experience it with puppy teeth are more likely to experience it again with permanent teeth. But getting it done while they're young is supposed to prevent a lot of problems later.
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Really glad to hear everything went so well. Thanks for sharing for the benefit of us all. Shama is going to have her teeth cleaned at the end of this month, and I was nervous about that. Hearing your story gives me more confidence!

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I am sorry your sweet new baby needed this. I like the way you waited until things were mostly resolved to post. You are stronger than me, I would have posted that they were going to cut my puppy's gums, I am worried, boo hoo. Good for you for being so cool. I worry my havs pick up on my helicopter antics, and they are worse dogs for it!

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Thanks Marni. But I admit I was pretty well freaked out when the vet first noticed there was a problem. It felt as if I had brought my perfect little puppy into the office and suddenly he had a serious problem. And there wasn't a lot of info on the internet on this condition either. So I really had no idea what it was. Fortunately the breeder, who also was unfamiliar with it, was great and got a referral to a wonderful veterinary dental practice in MA.
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So Henry had oral surgery on Friday.

Our vet had noted about 6 weeks ago that he had 'abnormalities" on his gums and that none of his puppy premolars had come in, which normally happens by about 8 weeks.

He was examined by a veterinary dentist who said that his premolars were imbedded in the gums and had not erupted as they should. This would cause more problems as his permanent teeth tried to come in as well. They don't know what causes this to happen although toy dogs are more prone to it. And Havanese are mentioned specifically as a breed it happens to. the surgery involves cutting the gums and removing excess tissue to allow the teeth to erupt and to extract any teeth not in the correct position.

It was so hard to leave him at the dentist knowing they were going to hurt him. But the good news was that they ended up only having to do his upper gums; the lower teeth were starting to erupt. And his teeth were positioned well and his permanent teeth are ready to come in. Actually they showed me some amazing X-rays where you can see both sets of teeth.

What was astonishing to me was his recovery. They called me shortly after he was out of surgery and told me he had already eaten his regular food! That night at home he was running around, chewing on toys. No signs he'd been through surgery.

So I'm posting this in case anyone else finds out their puppy's teeth haven't come in and this procedure is recommended. I was really worried before hand but it wasn't as bad as I had expected. he will need to have a follow up exam as his permanent teeth come in to ensure they are coming in correctly. Dogs that experience it with puppy teeth are more likely to experience it again with permanent teeth. But getting it done while they're young is supposed to prevent a lot of problems later.
I am SO glad to hear it went well! I was SO worried about "my favorite boy"! Give him a hug from "Auntie Karen"!


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Following up to my earlier post . . . When Shama went in for her teeth cleaning, the X-ray showed that she needed to have two crown amputations due to resorptive lesions and four extractions due to exposed roots (all) and bone loss (two). Here's a good article I found on the topic:

https://www.dogbeachvet.com/pet-owne...oth-resorption

Our vet, whom we really trust, noted on the paperwork, "All the problem teeth are gone! This will allow her remaining teeth a better chance for long-term health." So Shama had six teeth removed (due to either crown amputation or extraction), and she was already missing eight teeth (adult teeth that never came in - I wonder how common that is?), so now she only has 28 out of 42 teeth. (I'd heard before the comment that it's really something that all dogs, from the largest to the the tiniest have 42 teeth; humans only have 32 teeth . . .) One of the vet techs reassured us that Shama would be fine with only 28 teeth, especially since all those removed had been premolars (see article link below). She told us that her rescue dog has NO teeth and still lives a fine life. (We are also wondering if the reason she pawed at her face so much was because her teeth hurt?)

Here's a link to an article about the function of canine teeth:

https://dogdiscoveries.com/dogs-teeth/

Coincidentally my DH and I had dentist appointments the following day, and our dentist told me that there's a long-standing joke among dentists that the best way to prevent tooth decay and gum disease would be to pull every other tooth out of the human mouth in order to allow for thorough cleaning of all the remaining teeth!

I wanted to ask the forum members if anyone has good ideas for playing with Shama since she can't have chew toys for SEVEN days while her sutures heal? We did some agility training (from my online class, "Building and Maintaining a Start Line (Stay)) yesterday, using soft food to treat, and we also went for a walk at Lowe's (pet friendly store), but we think she's bored as she's used to entertaining herself with her toys and with her bully springs and playing with toys with us.

I also wanted to show you how neatly and discretely they shaved Shama's leg for her IV. I'd been afraid a 2-2-inch patch of her long coat would be gone, but you can't even tell she was shaved. The first three pictures below show her lying on my lap (which is how I position her when I groom her hair, face, chest, and belly). She is standing in the fourth picture (even though I think it looks like she's sitting). She was so thirsty the night after her appointment, but she wasn't allowed to drink or eat until the next day. (The vet tech told us she'd received plenty of fluid through the IV.) When my DH had his head turned, she jumped onto the end table and started drinking out of his glass of milk. Later, when he'd turned on the shower to let the water get hot before going in, she'd walked into the shower to get some water! (BTW, either the antibiotic or the painkiller she's taking is making her need to pee more often than usual. Just a heads up for anyone whose dog will be having a procedure at some point. We didn't notice that when she was spayed . . .)

How is Henry doing now?
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Two more photos of our little baby. She must have decided she was so bored without her chew toys and hard food that she'd pose for the camera without getting any treat at all!
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I am glad everything went well with her dental surgery. I think Molly will probably need her first teeth cleaning soon. I will be interested to see if she is missing teeth also. She has such a small mouth and her teeth are so tiny. She already is missing two adult teeth that were pulled when she was a puppy. Shama is as adorable as ever in those pictures!
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Good news on Henry’s dental surgery too! Glad to hear your little cutie is doing so well.



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