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What's wrong with Moje?

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Moje is just over two, up until now he has been right as rain. About a week ago ,on our normal walks out behind in the bush, he would stop, sit, then lay down, and not want to move further. I could sometimes entice him with treats but more often than not he would want to turn around and head home. Very unusual for him. Now his dog food has not changed. But we have been know to give him meat from our leftovers. Last week it was beef, with fat on the edges. I would also say he is somewhat lethargic around the house. Stools are normal, no vomiting and he is drinking normally.
I couldn't stand it any longer so we took him to the vet yesterday. Blood tests were negative (was checking for pancreatitis from fatty beef) stool was negative (parasites he may have ingested snacking on rabbit turds) anal glands were clear and he did not wince when she pressed along the length of his spine. Temp was normal. Paws were fine.
She sent us home with some special dog food (low in fat) and some pain meds, and told us it was gas. He has not burped or farted once in the house during all this.
He has been doing alot of the downward dog stretch which the vet said is indicative often of stomach problems and the stretching make this feel better? The laying down seems to follow a bowel movement so I guess that would be evidence of gut problems.
This also seemed to coincide with him playing with the neighbours dog who outweighs him by a good 35 pounds and she has been know to pounce with both paws on his back. I wonder if he hurt his back, and if arching to poop exacerbates the problem?
Having a dog is frustrating cuz you can't say "Where does it hurt?" Well you can , but they will just look at you with those cute little eyes and a blank stare.
Anyway, I am hoping maybe this sounds familiar to someone out there in Havanese land!
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I have no suggestions, but hope whatever this is clears up.

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Does he act normal other than the laying down outside when walking and being lethargic? On you in a climate that is hot or hotter than it has been before? Willow hates the heat and will many times just lay down under whatever shade she can find if we are walking. I would suggest not to feed table scraps, especially anything fatty. We have been known to share food with Willow but limit it to bits of fruit or vegetables. I hope it's nothing serious and Moje is back to normal soon. Keep us informed please.



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Does he act normal other than the laying down outside when walking and being lethargic? On you in a climate that is hot or hotter than it has been before? Willow hates the heat and will many times just lay down under whatever shade she can find if we are walking. I would suggest not to feed table scraps, especially anything fatty. We have been known to share food with Willow but limit it to bits of fruit or vegetables. I hope it's nothing serious and Moje is back to normal soon. Keep us informed please.
I'm in Canada so it is definitely NOT the heat!! Lesson learned about the scraps. He seems to be eating normally and bowel movements seem normal as well. His activity level is WAY down however. He is doing more of the yoga stretch thing with his back arched and toes out in front. He is on tramadol for the pain, and of course some of the side effects of that can be drowsiness!!?? Why is it kids and now dogs get sick at the most inopportune times LOL? We are hosting my family for Christmas on Saturday and my wife's for Christmas on Monday....sheesh.
If he seems worse tomorrow I may call or take him back to vet. Nice to have a vet one minute away!!
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When Scout had his cruciate ligament problems he stopped playing with Truffles. When he got up from a laying position he would stretch his back legs out. I didn't know anything was wrong until later the ligament ruptured and he held the leg up. Remembering this when you mentioned downward dog.

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Many years ago, Kodi had a bout of non-specific pain. After several weeks and several docs, we were finally referred to the person who is now our regular vet, who specializes in sports medicine and chiro. She found that he had seriously pulled a muscle in his groin. He hobbled in dragging his tail, and trotted out with his tail over his back. So if you exhaust other avenues, you might want to consider an integrative-type vet who uses alternative medicine as well as western medicine.


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When Scout had his cruciate ligament problems he stopped playing with Truffles. When he got up from a laying position he would stretch his back legs out. I didn't know anything was wrong until later the ligament ruptured and he held the leg up. Remembering this when you mentioned downward dog.
Maybe I don't know my yoga poses then. He is stretching his front legs out and arching his back. Vet said this is often indicative of a dog with a sore stomach.
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Many years ago, Kodi had a bout of non-specific pain. After several weeks and several docs, we were finally referred to the person who is now our regular vet, who specializes in sports medicine and chiro. She found that he had seriously pulled a muscle in his groin. He hobbled in dragging his tail, and trotted out with his tail over his back. So if you exhaust other avenues, you might want to consider an integrative-type vet who uses alternative medicine as well as western medicine.
The odd thing is , he can go outside , run like crazy chasing a squirrel...Stop...sit ..then lay down!! Very odd!! I am starting to think it is musculoskeletal in nature.
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After reading all of your posts, I can only think of one thing. He could be either tired, fearful or both. When Tux gets up from lying down, he always does the paws out front, butt-in-the-air stretch and he is fine. What got my attention is Moje prefers to stay near home rather than walk. You mentioned that he plays with a neighbor dog that outweighs him. Stress can come from playing with a dog that one must be on guard about. Maybe he is fearful of meeting up with the larger dog and wants to head back inside? Tux always assumes a playful position (butt in the air and hopping around like a flea out of control) when he is confronted by dogs he is not sure about. I know him well, and I see he is being playful/watchful. He was pounced on by an over zealous Bijon that outweighed him 3 to one when he was about 3 months old. Ever since then, he is not really willing to make contact with any dog. He just bounces around. He usually pulls us toward home when we walk and prefers to zip around the house for exercise. He prefers to sleep or lay up against a wall or back of a chair or under a Xmas tree rather than be exposed. He is obviously being watchful for anything that could be a threat and wants to feel safe when he closes his eyes. Tux is about Moje's age.
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After reading all of your posts, I can only think of one thing. He could be either tired, fearful or both. When Tux gets up from lying down, he always does the paws out front, butt-in-the-air stretch and he is fine. What got my attention is Moje prefers to stay near home rather than walk. You mentioned that he plays with a neighbor dog that outweighs him. Stress can come from playing with a dog that one must be on guard about. Maybe he is fearful of meeting up with the larger dog and wants to head back inside? Tux always assumes a playful position (butt in the air and hopping around like a flea out of control) when he is confronted by dogs he is not sure about. I know him well, and I see he is being playful/watchful. He was pounced on by an over zealous Bijon that outweighed him 3 to one when he was about 3 months old. Ever since then, he is not really willing to make contact with any dog. He just bounces around. He usually pulls us toward home when we walk and prefers to zip around the house for exercise. He prefers to sleep or lay up against a wall or back of a chair or under a Xmas tree rather than be exposed. He is obviously being watchful for anything that could be a threat and wants to feel safe when he closes his eyes. Tux is about Moje's age.
Moje does the same thing after waking. His morning stretch as it were. But he is doing this in the middle of the day , not even after a nap.
I actually mentioned the fear thing to my wife the other day. I would have thought maybe if it was fear there may be a certain spot at which he would stop each time, due to fear. He has no method to his madness, so to speak. In fact yesterday he balked about 100 meters into the bush, we turned around and he chased one of his toys in the back yard vigorously for about 10 minutes, then stopped and laid down.
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