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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 02-02-2018, 01:24 PM Thread Starter
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seems like our dogs are effected by a flu recently just like us. Human flu is really bad here and it's tough to dodge all the germs flying around. Here's two articles on the canine flu which also is more prevalent these days.

https://www.dogstardaily.com/blogs/d...type-h3n2-h3n8 Ian Dunbar

https://drjeandoddspethealthresource...h3n2-dog-dodds Jean Dodds
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I kept my dogs home from all the big summer trials that were held in conjunction with dog shows last summer... It just wasn't worth the risk to me. We also didn't hold any of our play dates last year. We had three pregnant bitches among people in the group, and between that and how the flu was spreading during the summer, we just didn't think it was worth the risk.

I still went to classes, and small, obedience/rally only trials (usually one ring, a bigger crating area, and areas where you can potty your dog away from the crowds) But even then, I am ALWAYS careful to keep my dogs crates covered when I'm not sitting right with them, make sure they only drink their own water, from their own bowls, and don't allow any sniffing other dogs, etc. ...And I never touch other people's dogs when I'm at a trial nor do I allow others to touch mine.


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Just wondering if others are giving the flu vaccine? I understand the flu is a problem here on the peninsula. I received a email from a vet if your dog is sick do not bring them into the hospital. They will go to your car to exam the dog. Maybe that is the reason there was only one Havanese at the Golden Gate Kennel Club Dog Show last month? Still deciding whether to give the vaccine. Our vet didn't think it was necessary since we don't go to dog parks, training centers or board.

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Just wondering if others are giving the flu vaccine? I understand the flu is a problem here on the peninsula. I received a email from a vet if your dog is sick do not bring them into the hospital. They will go to your car to exam the dog. Maybe that is the reason there was only one Havanese at the Golden Gate Kennel Club Dog Show last month? Still deciding whether to give the vaccine. Our vet didn't think it was necessary since we don't go to dog parks, training centers or board.
I won't give the (canine) flu vaccine. It has a high rate of adverse side effects, and is not that effective. Like the human flu, canine flu mutates constantly and there are different strains. The current vaccine is their "best guess" of what might be coming up.

For most healthy, adult but not geriatric dogs, the flu is no fun, but not life-threatening.

I prefer to protect my dogs as I described above... being cautious about where I take them and socializing. If there were an outbreak in our specific area, I would be even more cautious about exposure.

But most of the major outbreaks seem to be among show dogs, Like kids in school, you pack a lot of animals into a small amount of space, and they catch things from each other. I think exposure with pet dogs is MUCH easier to control.


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I gave the flu vaccine once to my 14 year old Bichon because it was required for a boarding situation. She started having health problems soon after I returned from my trip, including kidney disease which she had no prior history of. Within four months after the vaccine she was gone. I will never know for sure if the vaccine had anything to do with her quick decline but I certainly won’t take that chance again with another dog.
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Just received another email from where Scout had surgery. It said they are seeing flu cases, but mainly from the South bay. The dogs have been in doggie day care or boarding situations. I'm required to get the vaccine every year for work, but haven't because of the wrist surgery. This year seems to be a particularly bad year here for young and old.

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I decided to vaccinate all my dogs (4) late last month because Champ is 14 and Benny has Cushings Disease. They did not appear to have any after-effects after their first shots or after their second shots two weeks later.
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I decided to vaccinate all my dogs (4) late last month because Champ is 14 and Benny has Cushings Disease. They did not appear to have any after-effects after their first shots or after their second shots two weeks later.
Everyone needs to run their own risk/benefit analysis. If the vaccine was more effective, or Havanese weren't such a vaccine sensitive breed, I'd consider it too. But unfortunately, vaccinosis rarely shows up right after any one jab. It is the repeated challenge to the immune system that can cause problems much later.

So while I TOTALLY respect people making an informed decision in either direction, the fact that any one dog (or small group of dogs) doesn't experience immediate adverse effects from a particular vaccine doesn't do anything to convince me it's the right gamble for my dogs.


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I know that a breeder posted on Facebook that at the Atlanta show last week many Havanese were kept home over flu, so she was more easily able to win points toward finishing her dog. I like these admissions. She honestly wanted people to know that taking a risk and showing up helped her cause, kind of like the fall in price of Persian rugs after 911 that I took advantage of (I was bidding on eBay months afterwards and failed to make the political connection to my great deals), only maybe not as sociopathic.


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I know that a breeder posted on Facebook that at the Atlanta show last week many Havanese were kept home over flu, so she was more easily able to win points toward finishing her dog. I like these admissions. She honestly wanted people to know that taking a risk and showing up helped her cause, kind of like the fall in price of oriental rugs after 911 that I took advantage of, only maybe not as sociopathic.
Except I would NEVER risk my animals' health for points or ribbons. I kept all my dogs home from the big indoor show last summer.


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