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Distemper Parv vaccine and bordetella

Cubby is a male Hav that is 2 1/2 years old. He had the Distemper/Parvo vaccine and the Bordetella vaccine yesterday morning. Last night he did not eat his dinner. This morning he is lethargic. Just lying around, will walk a bit, and just sitting around. No energy. Should I be worried?
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Havanese are a vaccine sensitive breed. Many of of choose to titer rarther than continue to give unnecessary repeat “boosters for parvo and distemper. My 10year old hasn’t had a parvo or distemper vaccine in many years, and still has a high titer. My girls only ever had two puppy vaccinations for both and have had high titers ever since.

And I do not vaccinate for Bordatella at all. It is the dog equivalent of a cold, and the vaccine, at best protects the dog from a few of many possible strains, and only for about 6 months. Giving it to them annually is pretty useless. The main reason to give it is to keep daycare or grooming places happy, and I refuse to risk my dog’s immune system for that.

In the future, if you DO continue with annual vaccinations, please make sure that he doesn’t get more than one at a time, and no closer than a MINIMUM of 2-4 weeks apart. For now, he may feel punky for a day or two, but he will recover.
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Followup on Cubby. Last night had severe diarrhea that eventually had blood. Went to Doctor and she said it "probably" is a reaction to Distemper. I think....that the only required vaccine is rabies. Am I wrong. Anyways, she said it always could be "another" thing, but at this point thinks it is a reaction to the vaccine. (He also had Bordetella) I feel so terrible! I took a totally healthy dog in and then he is now so sick. Gave him fluids (not IV) into his neck to address any dehydration. Gave him an anti-nausea medication. To feed him chicken and pasta (I thought rice but she said pasta), and he is on Metronidazole suspension for diarrhea. Very worried and hope the vet knows what she is doing.
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I would be sure to discuss a plan of action with your vet before any further vaccines are ever given to your dog. I hope he feels better soon.
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Followup on Cubby. Last night had severe diarrhea that eventually had blood. Went to Doctor and she said it "probably" is a reaction to Distemper. I think....that the only required vaccine is rabies. Am I wrong. Anyways, she said it always could be "another" thing, but at this point thinks it is a reaction to the vaccine. (He also had Bordetella) I feel so terrible! I took a totally healthy dog in and then he is now so sick. Gave him fluids (not IV) into his neck to address any dehydration. Gave him an anti-nausea medication. To feed him chicken and pasta (I thought rice but she said pasta), and he is on Metronidazole suspension for diarrhea. Very worried and hope the vet knows what she is doing.
I am very sorry to hear about your dog. Please do not beat yourself up about this. Not everyone is lucky enough to have been told about the dangers of vaccinations, especially over vaccination. My Mia had very bad reactions to vaccines at age two. It was shortly after that I learned about the dangers of over vaccination. I felt so guilty but I simply did not know better and trusted my vet. Mia is 11 now and very healthy. She has not had any vaccines since, legally required or otherwise. She is super healthy. I have also naturally reared her since then. Note that the rabies vaccine is one of the worst and there is no medical basis for repeatedly vaccinating a dog for rabies for its entire life. I would check if there is a rabies waiver in your state. Definitely do not do the 1 year if they accept 3 year. Sometimes laws are unjust and need to be broken. You can also titer for rabies although not accepted legally but at least you would know.
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While I am all for a minimal vaccine protocol, remember that breaking the law and skipping Rabies vaccine, EVEN if your dog is protected from Rabies (which is probably true) is putting your dog’s life at risk. If someone even SAYS your dog has bitten little Johnny, whether he has or not, and you can’t produce a rabies certificate, you could have your dog destroyed and its brain examined for Rabies? Do you really want to take a chance on that? Think about that long and hard before making the decision to break that particular law.

I have one dog on a Rabies waiver, which is legal in my state for medical reasons ONLY, as requested ANNUALLY by the dog’s vet. He has a waiver because of a severe, LIFE THREATENING reaction SPECIFICALLY to his last RABIES vaccine, 6 years ago now. He ended up hospitalized. His vet refuses to give it to him again. My girls get their Rabies vaccines every 3 years as required by law. I titer for everything else. Kodi gets titered for Rabies every 3 years, as required by my town for his license. In my state, every town handles that their own way. (Which is crazy, but...) Rabies titers are expensive, $150 here.
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Thank You! I am beating myself up and you are right. So good to hear yours got through this. It helps to know he can get over this!
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I am learning a lot from all of you. Thank you!
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It was the distemper shot that made him sick.
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While I am all for a minimal vaccine protocol, remember that breaking the law and skipping Rabies vaccine, EVEN if your dog is protected from Rabies (which is probably true) is putting your dog’s life at risk. If someone even SAYS your dog has bitten little Johnny, whether he has or not, and you can’t produce a rabies certificate, you could have your dog destroyed and its brain examined for Rabies? Do you really want to take a chance on that? Think about that long and hard before making the decision to break that particular law.

I have one dog on a Rabies waiver, which is legal in my state for medical reasons ONLY, as requested ANNUALLY by the dog’s vet. He has a waiver because of a severe, LIFE THREATENING reaction SPECIFICALLY to his last RABIES vaccine, 6 years ago now. He ended up hospitalized. His vet refuses to give it to him again. My girls get their Rabies vaccines every 3 years as required by law. I titer for everything else. Kodi gets titered for Rabies every 3 years, as required by my town for his license. In my state, every town handles that their own way. (Which is crazy, but...) Rabies titers are expensive, $150 here.
So if you lived in an area where there are no medical exemptions for rabies, would you continue to vaccinate Kodi for rabies just to be legal even though it may kill him or make him extremely ill? Some people are in this situation. As far as little Johnny, I do not allow my dogs near strangers, particularly kids. As far as legality, some counties in my state have no rabies laws. Regardless, I still take precautions to avoid my dogs from getting rabies and avoid situations where they could be accused of biting someone. As far as actually biting someone, I think a dog is going to be in trouble even if they have a waiver or are up to date on rabies. A friend of mine had a dog that severely bit his groomer. The dog was up to date on rabies. Animal control took the dog and it was put down. When my friend said he was up to date, animal control said that they cannot depend on the rabies vaccine working.
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