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In SOUTHERN UTAH there was an outbreak of lepto. We are waiting to bring home a new puppy from northern Utah. I will ask the breeder this question about lept vaccine. There was a passing through visitor that had a dog in So. Utah that spread this Lepto virus as I just found out. So not sure what to do. Usually in Utah and Nevada we don't give Lepto.

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Hi, Alan. I wish I could help. Hashi doesn’t have her first vet appointment until February 11. We live in NJ and we used Frontline and Heartgard for our big Labs. I hope you are all enjoying your new home.
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I've been giving Inceptor Plus for heartworm for several years. They also get NexGard for ticks and fleas. Lepto was recommended, but I decided against it.

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I know a lot of people don't give lepto - I have never had to really consider if I wanted to or not because here in Uganda, the DHLPP is a required annual vaccine. Perry has never had any problems with it. I do make sure that I space his rabies and DHLPP a few weeks apart (don't know if it does any good for anything beyond my piece of mind!) If/ when we move I guess I'll have to think about it and decide if we continue or not.

we do heartguard for heartworm and advantix for flea/ tick - though since he's just in our yard and I've never seen a tick on him, I have been spacing them out longer than every month (but he did get a tick-borne illness in November, so I'm rethinking that policy and starting him back on monthly doses).
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I’m kind of surprised that moving from one humid climate to another you’d have such different advice. Of course the environments are completely different, but there’s plenty of mosquito activity in both regions. Maybe there is a big difference in the number of confirmed cases.

My Havanese did horribly on Heartgard. If your vet strongly recommends preventatives, I would specifically ask about the different options and doses. Heartgard caused a cycle of diarrhea that led to anal gland issues and all kinds of problems and it started over every month. I opted for blood tests instead since our climate is relatively dry. I have since learned there are other heartworm preventatives that would be better options if we decide we need one again, and that we can use a smaller dose. There was a thread that mentioned it here on the forum but I’m having trouble getting it to come up with the search, too, I think because it’s mentioned deep within in a long thread. I don’t really know if it’s the fake chicken flavoring or other ingredients in the chew or the actual drug that caused the problem, so I’ll stick to a straight pill and I won’t use a combination dewormer like Heartgard plus. If we have to use heart worm meds in the future I will also do the invermectin testing, just to be safe. I think it’s unlikely my Havanese has the mutation because my understanding is the reaction would have been much more serious, but there is no question he had a problem with what he took so I wouldn’t want to take any chances. Unfortunately there isn’t a lot of information out there about this, especially regarding Havanese specifically, so it took almost a year for us to confirm. I suspected it earlier and mentioned it to a vet and was immediately dismissed, which I’m still kind of bitter about.
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Iím kind of surprised that moving from one humid climate to another youíd have such different advice. Of course the environments are completely different, but thereís plenty of mosquito activity in both regions. Maybe there is a big difference in the number of confirmed cases.

My Havanese did horribly on Heartgard. If your vet strongly recommends preventatives, I would specifically ask about the different options and doses. Heartgard caused a cycle of diarrhea that led to anal gland issues and all kinds of problems and it started over every month. I opted for blood tests instead since our climate is relatively dry. I have since learned there are other heartworm preventatives that would be better options if we decide we need one again, and that we can use a smaller dose. There was a thread that mentioned it here on the forum but Iím having trouble getting it to come up with the search, too, I think because itís mentioned deep within in a long thread. I donít really know if itís the fake chicken flavoring or other ingredients in the chew or the actual drug that caused the problem, so Iíll stick to a straight pill and I wonít use a combination dewormer like Heartgard plus. If we have to use heart worm meds in the future I will also do the invermectin testing, just to be safe. I think itís unlikely my Havanese has the mutation because my understanding is the reaction would have been much more serious, but there is no question he had a problem with what he took so I wouldnít want to take any chances. Unfortunately there isnít a lot of information out there about this, especially regarding Havanese specifically, so it took almost a year for us to confirm. I suspected it earlier and mentioned it to a vet and was immediately dismissed, which Iím still kind of bitter about.
My yorkie had similar problems on Heartgard and Mia was just ďoffĒ. I even had ivermectin compounded by a pharmacist at the lowest necessary dose because I also suspected the fake chemical flavorings. This made no difference. I am now trying to do more frequent testing that test for the actual microfilia so it is caught earlier. This differs from the typical antigen testing that only tests for adult worms. Once there are worms, more difficult to treat. This test is offered by Healthgene and is mentioned in the article below. Note also that while Mia was on heartworm and flea meds, her thyroid values kept dropping. Since stopping these meds, her thyroid ranges are now normal. I suspect this is why she seemed off while on these drugs.

https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.co...worms-in-dogs/
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