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Worried about Archie

Archie, who just turned 8 years old, had surgery about 7 months ago to remove a bladder stone. His dog sitter noticed that when he peed, he did not have a stream of urine. After his surgery I put him on Royal Canin Urinary so, per my vet, and he seemed fine. However, about 3 months ago he started to just dribble urine instead of producing a stream. Thinking he had another stone I brought him back to the vet. He has had an x-ray and ultrasound and there are no bladder stones. He has been on an antibiotic and 2 other types of medications - one to strengthen his muscles and another that is a hormone. There has been no difference. My vet now wants me to take him to a specialist to do a scope and figure out what is happening. He is not incontinent - no peeing in the house. When he is outside, even first thing in the morning, he produces a few drops, like a leaky faucet, and then dribbles some more when done. He does this several times.
I am wondering if anyone else's dog had something similar or anyone has any ideas about this.
thanks!

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I hope they can figure out what is happening with Archie. I don’t have any experience with this but wanted to send you and Archie positive thoughts for a solution to his problem.



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Archie, who just turned 8 years old, had surgery about 7 months ago to remove a bladder stone. His dog sitter noticed that when he peed, he did not have a stream of urine. After his surgery I put him on Royal Canin Urinary so, per my vet, and he seemed fine. However, about 3 months ago he started to just dribble urine instead of producing a stream. Thinking he had another stone I brought him back to the vet. He has had an x-ray and ultrasound and there are no bladder stones. He has been on an antibiotic and 2 other types of medications - one to strengthen his muscles and another that is a hormone. There has been no difference. My vet now wants me to take him to a specialist to do a scope and figure out what is happening. He is not incontinent - no peeing in the house. When he is outside, even first thing in the morning, he produces a few drops, like a leaky faucet, and then dribbles some more when done. He does this several times.
I am wondering if anyone else's dog had something similar or anyone has any ideas about this.
thanks!
I have a friend whose male dog had the same surgery and is having exactly the same problem. Like your dog, they do not yet know why.


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I do not have personal experience with this problem, however I recently read the following article.

https://healthypets.mercola.com/site...n-in-dogs.aspx

One thing it mentions is submitting the stones for analysis to determine the mineral constitution so that dietary management can be instituted. I wonder if the vet did this. The article also mentions the importance of hydration and filtering water. Kibble diets are dangerously low in moisture. Do you hydrate the kibble? Does Archie always have access to clean filtered water?

I would definitely get to the specialist to determine root cause but thought this article had some good information. Once root cause is determined, I would work with a canine nutritionist to find a healthy diet to help manage the condition. Unfortunately, prescription diets are not a good long term solution for a dog, especially dry food diets for dogs with urinary issues.
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Also wondering if this is the drug Archie is on to help strengthen the muscles in the urethral sphincter? One of the side effects is difficulty urinating.

https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-p...lpropanolamine
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My Bichon had urinary stone issues. He had to have the surgery and we went to a specialist. They explained that when most vets do the surgery that they don't flush out the debri from the urinary tract which causes problems later. Romeo's surgery was successful and he stayed on the urniary so food for a couple years. Once he went off the food, the stones returned in 3 months.
The specialist is the way to go. I know several dogs that had the bladder stone surgery and Romeo was the only one who did not need further procedures after surgery but he was the only one that went to a specialist. The specialist also proves that the tract is clear after he does the surgery but before he closes the incision. Maybe this is what happened.
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https://healthypets.mercola.com/site...te-stones.aspx

Another good article...key takeaway -

“To reduce urine pH – which is the goal in most struvite situations – you must feed your pet a low-carb, grain-free, potato-free, and preferably fresh or at least canned food diet for the increased moisture content. When dogs and cats who are designed to eat meat are fed a grain-based diet or a starch-rich diet, the starch alkalizes urine pH, which can lead to the development of struvite crystals and stones.”

A starch laden dry prescription food is NOT the answer. Please consider at least feeding canned food.
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I do not have personal experience with this problem, however I recently read the following article.

https://healthypets.mercola.com/site...n-in-dogs.aspx

One thing it mentions is submitting the stones for analysis to determine the mineral constitution so that dietary management can be instituted. I wonder if the vet did this. The article also mentions the importance of hydration and filtering water. Kibble diets are dangerously low in moisture. Do you hydrate the kibble? Does Archie always have access to clean filtered water?

I would definitely get to the specialist to determine root cause but thought this article had some good information. Once root cause is determined, I would work with a canine nutritionist to find a healthy diet to help manage the condition. Unfortunately, prescription diets are not a good long term solution for a dog, especially dry food diets for dogs with urinary issues.
They have done all that with my friend's dog, he is NOT on a kibble diet, and his surgery was at Angell Memorial in Boston, one of the top vet hospitals in the country. He is now being seen by a board-certified internist to try to figure it out. They ultrasounded him last week, and are using the muscle relaxants now. In a couple of weeks if those don't work (they are not so far) they have to do some dye contrast study to try to see what's going on.


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https://healthypets.mercola.com/site...te-stones.aspx

Another good article...key takeaway -

“To reduce urine pH – which is the goal in most struvite situations – you must feed your pet a low-carb, grain-free, potato-free, and preferably fresh or at least canned food diet for the increased moisture content. When dogs and cats who are designed to eat meat are fed a grain-based diet or a starch-rich diet, the starch alkalizes urine pH, which can lead to the development of struvite crystals and stones.”

A starch laden dry prescription food is NOT the answer. Please consider at least feeding canned food.
But this dribbling problem has NOTHING to do with new stones being formed...


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They have done all that with my friend's dog, he is NOT on a kibble diet, and his surgery was at Angell Memorial in Boston, one of the top vet hospitals in the country. He is now being seen by a board-certified internist to try to figure it out. They ultrasounded him last week, and are using the muscle relaxants now. In a couple of weeks if those don't work (they are not so far) they have to do some dye contrast study to try to see what's going on.
It would be interesting to hear what the root cause is. Please keep us posted.
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