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Vet rant. Wants to give vaccinations annually

Took Kojo in for Heartworm test and prevention injection. Vet said he needed vaccinations and asked which ones. He said Rabies and told him Kojo's rabies good for two years. He said,"he needs booster and said NO VACCINATIONS. Then he says he needs Bordatella. Nope. During covid, Kojo isolating with me and sees no other dogs. I still walked out with $336 vet bill. Did urinalysis, ultrasound of kidneys, heart worm test, heart worm injection and flea/tick prevention. Do you give SIMPARICA? $129 for six monthly pills. I know there are cheaper flea/tick nonRx meds out there. What do you use? I used to use K9 Advantix II on my Cavalier King Charles Spaniel but vet said Kojo's cottony undercoat too thick for topical. Can' imagine what bill would have been if he gave all the vaccinations he wanted to give.
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Well, honestly I don’t make my vet decisions based on cost, but I’d want to know why my dog needed either a urinalysis or an ultrasound of his kidneys. Neither of those sound like normal, preventaive medicine tests. None of my dogs, including 11 1/2 year old Kodi have ever had either one.

I use Advantix II for ticks (fleas are really not a problem for us) and I normally only need to use two doses in a season. I don’t believe that you can’t get them onto the skin of ANY dog, no matter HOW dense their coat is, if you apply them correctly. I do not believe in feed-though flea and tick preventives for a number of reasons.

I only use one heartworm med, and that is Interceptor. I use it every 6 weeks, during the part of the year mosquitos are active in my area. Heatworm needs to be handled differently depending on the part of the country you live in.

Again, I can’t understand the comment on the cost of added vaccines. It costs me more to titer than it woukd to jab my dogs with vaccines more often. I choose to titer because it is safer for my dogs.
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Kojo was having symptoms of possible urinary tract infection having to pee every hour all night. So vet did urinalysis to check that out. But he did not tell me he was going to do ultrasound of kidney and I don't think Kojo needed that. I really hate it when vets decide to do things without asking me first and then surprise bill. Not happy with this vet so will be going back to vet I used with my previous dog. I don't believe in overvaccinating pets. Had one vet try to tell me that no vaccinations lasted more than a year. Vet at UC-Davis published that he believes after all puppy shots, immunity is lifetime. He checks titers of his dogs and all of them showed stable titers up to age 14 years. Most vets depend on vaccinations to support their business so will scare you into vaccinating unnecessarily. One vet told me there was no titer test. That is when I know I need a new vet. I want a vet that will discuss my pets health and allow me to make educated decision about the care of my pet.
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Shadow got his rabies at 6 months, then 1 year later, got a 3 year rabies shot. I use Sentinel for heartworm/flea control. I've used it for over 30 years. It's about $100/year but does not do anything for ticks. His first year, we had a big tick problem here so I used a pill for 3 months that year.
That doesn't sound too bad pricewise if it included the $130 for the meds. I've never done the injections. I agree that I would want an explanation before they do stuff. Was this vet part of a chain? Vets at chains seem to like to upsell and insist on $service$.
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Took Kojo in for Heartworm test and prevention injection. Vet said he needed vaccinations and asked which ones. He said Rabies and told him Kojo's rabies good for two years. He said,"he needs booster and said NO VACCINATIONS. Then he says he needs Bordatella. Nope. During covid, Kojo isolating with me and sees no other dogs. I still walked out with $336 vet bill. Did urinalysis, ultrasound of kidneys, heart worm test, heart worm injection and flea/tick prevention. Do you give SIMPARICA? $129 for six monthly pills. I know there are cheaper flea/tick nonRx meds out there. What do you use? I used to use K9 Advantix II on my Cavalier King Charles Spaniel but vet said Kojo's cottony undercoat too thick for topical. Can' imagine what bill would have been if he gave all the vaccinations he wanted to give.
Many vets around here still do annual vaccines. I would just find another vet who will do titers for you.

I was wondering if Kojo has had the Proheart shot previously? Any drug that remains in my dogís system for a year sounds very scary to me. However, I see you are from the ďDeep SouthĒ so I realize the risk is high. I was just wondering if Proheart is what the vets recommend in your area? Where I live risk of heartworm is also high. A friend of mine has a dog with heartworms who is being treated by a supposedly very good vet at the University of Missouri vet school. Per her vet, the heartworms here have become more and more resistant to the heartworm preventatives and she is seeing many dogs with heartworm that are on preventatives. The only heartworm preventative she recommends is Advantage Multi. Note that many of the dogs she treats are farm dogs. They are out 24x7 so the risk is much higher than a house dog who goes outside a couple hours per day.

I think fleas can be easily prevented by frequent vacuuming and washing of dog bedding, along with basic grooming. As far as ticks, I just do frequent tick checks. The topicals do not kill them fast enough and the pills are way too scary for me. I use a non toxic repellent on them to keep ticks, fleas and mosquitoes from biting them in the first place vs. letting the insects bite them and then waiting for the drugs to kill them. My understanding of tick borne diseases is that most dogs never show symptoms, even if they get a puffed up diseased tick on them. In other words, even if they test positive for Lyme, most dogs will never get Lyme disease. The biggest threat is heartworm IMO. Fleas and ticks are not that big of a threat...more of a nuisance than anything.
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No, this vet is independent. The one who saw Kojo yesterday hadn't seen him before. Kojo usually sees a female vet there. It's a 30-minute drive to get there. I have a long experience with a much closer vet and will transfer his care there. He gets Rabies vaccination every two years because it is state law even though vaccine good for 3 years.

I will switch back to K9 Advantix II after done with Simparica. We have very bad mosquito, flea and tick problems here in deep south so I use prevention for heartworm and flea/tick year-round. We get big deer ticks here. A city truck sprays residential streets once a week around sundown for mosquito control from mid-spring through mid-fall. We are encouraged to avoid any water on our property like bird baths or puddles where mosquitoes lay eggs. But even I occasionally get mosquito bites when outdoors.

Vet instructed me yesterday to not let Kojo out of his crate at 3AM when he wants to go outside. He thinks Kojo is playing me. So last night, I ignored his whining to get out and poor guy peed all over his crate bed. So even though he doesn't have UTI, he does need to pee at 3 AM. I will take him to his ex-pen and allow him to use pee pad instead of letting him go in backyard during the night. I limit his water after 8PM but he doesn't seem to be able make it through the night without pee break.
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Fleas, Ticks and Mosquitoes.

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Many vets around here still do annual vaccines. I would just find another vet who will do titers for you.

I was wondering if Kojo has had the Proheart shot previously?

I think fleas can be easily prevented by frequent vacuuming and washing of dog bedding, along with basic grooming. Fleas and ticks are not that big of a threat...more of a nuisance than anything.
Kojo gets Proheart every six months (not an annual shot). Fleas are very bad with my lawn full of fleas that bite me while in yard. K9 Advantix II REPELS fleas, ticks and mosquitoes. The problem with fleas is that dogs get intestinal worms from flea bites even if dogs don't get infestation with eggs in fur. So I prefer to prevent fleas bites rather than have him treated for worms. Ticks on dogs can give Lyme disease to humans. We have herds of wild deer in the city in forested areas and deer ticks have tested positive for Lyme disease by wildlife officials. So prevention is better than treating disease from these pests.
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No, this vet is independent. The one who saw Kojo yesterday hadn't seen him before. Kojo usually sees a female vet there. It's a 30-minute drive to get there. I have a long experience with a much closer vet and will transfer his care there. He gets Rabies vaccination every two years because it is state law even though vaccine good for 3 years.

I will switch back to K9 Advantix II after done with Simparica. We have very bad mosquito, flea and tick problems here in deep south so I use prevention for heartworm and flea/tick year-round. We get big deer ticks here. A city truck sprays residential streets once a week around sundown for mosquito control from mid-spring through mid-fall. We are encouraged to avoid any water on our property like bird baths or puddles where mosquitoes lay eggs. But even I occasionally get mosquito bites when outdoors.

Vet instructed me yesterday to not let Kojo out of his crate at 3AM when he wants to go outside. He thinks Kojo is playing me. So last night, I ignored his whining to get out and poor guy peed all over his crate bed. So even though he doesn't have UTI, he does need to pee at 3 AM. I will take him to his ex-pen and allow him to use pee pad instead of letting him go in backyard during the night. I limit his water after 8PM but he doesn't seem to be able make it through the night without pee break.
Any vet that says to ignore a dog that wants to get out of its crate at 3 am is NOT a vet I would trust with my dog. That is ridiculous! Kojo is so loaded up with drugs his kidneys are probably working very hard to get them out of his system. You would think the vet would know this. I really feel for Kojo and hope his system can deal with the toxic overload he is under.
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How old is Kojo? Because we do vaccinations every three years here, core ones. However the one year boosters are, IMO necessary. This is just like a human baby, as far as science goes. It's why you get the three jabs of Parvo till 16 wks. Not because the vaccines are not effective. It's because maternal antibodies are at odds with puppy's own immune system. I am cautious with over vaccinating, but I do think there is a potential for a vaccine to become ineffective at some point during that first year. I would be okay with tittering after that, though. And I personally prefer to do rabies after 6 months.
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Well, honestly I donít make my vet decisions based on cost, but Iíd want to know why my dog needed either a urinalysis or an ultrasound of his kidneys. Neither of those sound like normal, preventaive medicine tests. None of my dogs, including 11 1/2 year old Kodi have ever had either one.

I use Advantix II for ticks (fleas are really not a problem for us) and I normally only need to use two doses in a season. I donít believe that you canít get them onto the skin of ANY dog, no matter HOW dense their coat is, if you apply them correctly. I do not believe in feed-though flea and tick preventives for a number of reasons.

I only use one heartworm med, and that is Interceptor. I use it every 6 weeks, during the part of the year mosquitos are active in my area. Heatworm needs to be handled differently depending on the part of the country you live in.

Again, I canít understand the comment on the cost of added vaccines. It costs me more to titer than it woukd to jab my dogs with vaccines more often. I choose to titer because it is safer for my dogs.
I like interceptor. We do it 6 months out of the year. The flea/ tick stuff we use you apply to the neck and I do only 2-3 doses a year, too. I can't remember what the brand is on that one.
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