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allergies?????

I know some of you have havs that have allergies. Thats a lot of haves, lol. Anyhow, what do you give your pups for it? Do you give them Benedril? Can I get some over the counter? Gabby is scratching and chewing on her feet, and I am sure it is allergies. The pollen falling around here is horrible. She is on the road with hubby right now, and he says it is getting bad for her. I need to tell him what to give her. Thanks yall.








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My girl takes benedryl twice a day one third of a reg. pill, she takes it for a flea allergy one flea bit sets her off, my Lhasa also has had a flea allergy for years. The reason she was biting her feet was first because of the flea allergy it caused interdigital Pyoderma with secondary yeast infection the yeast is also very itchy, we saw our reg Vet it did not clear up (he though it was an atopic allergy), later with a referral to a Dermatologist at the state Vet school we went there. There was just no way I was willing to let my dog be miserable, the itching was making me nuts, imagine my poor pup. The problem is often the vet will try a number of things and sometimes they will work, when all else fails they use a steroid...my dog is young so it was important to me to know what the problem was. I got lucky they diagnosed her problem quickly. She no longer chews her paws her coat is better then ever, pyoderma can come back in humid weather so I was her feet twice a week with special shampoo. Before you start any medication even over the counter (benedryl is otc) see your Vet and rule out other things or have your Vet tell you the dose of an otc that is safe for your pet. The Benedryl for my girl is for itching caused by a flea or two not to treat the allergy or the Pyoderma, if an allergy get really bad your vet can have an allergic reaction, this is rare but my Lhasa had them many times. Please see your Vet first.

She was on antibotics for about 16 weeks with a anti yeast/fungal pill and baths twice a week and foot baths in wet humid weather, it did not cost much it just took time and patience.

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Benadryl doesn't do much for my Havanese. She had to get a steroid shot, which really helped her. The shots last for weeks. My vet told me that bendrayl doesn't work for some dogs, just like it doesn't affect some people. If your dog isn't drowsy, you know it's not working. There is also some prescription allergy medicine that works better than benadyl without the drowsiness. Cortisone cream works great for skin irritations.

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I agree that you should take your dog to your vet, and ask what might be done for the allergies.

My vet prescribed for Camellia, any of three different antihistamines:

1) Cetirizine hydrochloride (generic Reactine) - 10 mg. (a full human dose!) to be given once daily (it's apparently a time-release pill). She prescribed 7.5 mg, but said the 10 mg was okay.

2) Chlorpheniramine (generic Chlortripolon), 2 mg (half a 4 mg tablet) up to three times daily. Again, this resembles a human dose, though humans might take 4 mg three times daily.

3) Diphenhydramine hydrochloride (generic Benadryl); 20-40 mg up to three times daily. I got the 25 mg tablets, and rarely, give her 25 mg; more often, 37.5 mg (a caplet and a half).

Camellia weighs 8.7 Kg (about 19 pounds); she's a BIG Hav! Doses for smaller Havs might be somewhat less.

I tried the Reactine first. Kept at it for a few months, but it didn't seem to do that good a job. Next, I tried the Chlortripolon, and that didn't seem to work very well either. So then I tried the Benadryl - and THAT does help, quite a lot.

My vet was very enthusiastic about the Reactine, and maybe that would work for your dog.

If you can possibly avoid using steroids, please do, as there can be long-term consequences, including a tendency to develop diabetes - and - I had a diabetic dog; you don't want that! It's a lot of work, and fairly expensive to manage (though diabetes in dogs is a very manageable disease, and need not shorten the dog's life - but the scheduling is rough for the humans, because typically, you need to feed every 12 hours, no food between meals, and inject insulin every 12 hours, shortly after feeding.

My vet pointed out to me that Camellia's allergic dermatitis (atopy) results from her missing the natural skin barrier against allergies that dogs and humans normally have. So I use a special shampoo and spray, bathing once a week (religiously!) and spraying after the bath, and then once mid-week, between baths. The shampoo and spray replace the missing skin barrier!

Anyway, I'm suggesting you might talk this over with your vet.

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Maybe your dog has something like that - a missing skin barrier! It's explained here (my vet gave me this link):

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Con...P=PRINT&A=1535

The shampoo and spray I use are by DOUXO, and my vet-insurance company, Trupanion, is covering 90% of the cost for me. It's expensive here in Canada, where I think you can only get it from vets. I've put in three claims so far, and they encourage me to keep submitting claims, and will pay forever! (for the rest of Camellia's life). It's the calming shampoo and spray.

http://www.douxo.us/dermatology/doux...s-shampoo.html

If you click on the Product Datasheet, it tells you how to use the stuff.

If you're in the U.S., though, you might be able to get it fairly cheaply, at amazon.com.

You might want to check out the possibility, with your vet, that your Hav is missing that skin barrier! The shampoo, spray, and antihistamines combined are working well for Camellia; keeping her quite comfortable most of the time.

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Wow, this is all confusing. As I said she is on the road with hubby right now, and he is working. I will see them in a couple of weeks, and there would be a couple of days there we could see a vet, before we head out again. Meantime, I think I will call the vet and see if there is anything he can give her now. Thanks
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I just called my vet, who is old school,........small town. Anyhow, first thing he recommended was Prednisone. I just googled it, and it sounds like a pretty scary drug. At this point, I dont know what to do. I am wondering if I should change her food to see if it could be a problem?
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Sometimes when the allergy gets out of hand you have to do a prednisone taper, this helps calm it down so you can treat the symptoms...there is no cure for allergies but they can be controlled, the object is to not get to the point that you need prednisone. Dogs do better then humans with prednisone, but long term use has horrible consequences. The Cortisone shot is sometimes effective but over time the allergy gets worse and you need to inject more times a year make no mistake it is a steriod. Allergy meds do not become ineffective like pain meds they quit working because the allergy gets worse and they can not keep up with the symptons. Since your husband is on the road he can start washing your pups feet at the end of the day the feet and noise is how our dogs absorb things. As soon as your pup is home please go to the Vet it is a long summer ahead.

Prednisone is not a quick fix it and steriods are very powerful drugs, they have a place but not for long term use. My Lhasa has had allergies for most of this life (all the time I have had him) his have been so bad he has had to have IV prednisone a few times over the course of his life, today he has Addison's this is because the prednisone use caused his adernal glands to shut down, also you may have read two weeks ago he developed secondary glaucoma the eye doctor now believes it was due to the prednisone he needs to treat the Addisons. This is not common but there are many other consequences of long term steriod use.

I know this stuff seems overwelming but if you are informed in the beginning you and your Vet can come up with a long term plan that you can live with, the key is finding something that works and sticking with it, failure of these medicines to control allergies are mostly due to non-complience, our lives are busy sometimes we forget esp. when the dog is doing well. Bendryl and other antihistamines take time to work...they do not work over night and sometimes one works where another does not, also if the allergy is raging then you need something like prednisone to calm it down so the antihistamine can do its job. Also foot bathing and bathing with special shampoos are important part of the process, also depending on the shampoo the Vet suggests, you need to think about flea control, Boo Boo uses a shampoo called Comfort it doses not strip topical flea control off your dog, it works like the one Carol uses for Camellia. All the best in finding something that works for your pup.

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Is the foot bath necessary if she doesnt even go outside? She pottys indoors, and we dont take her out much, not at all when we are on the road. Also, could it be her food?

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The foot bath is because dogs absorb things through their feet not skin, like we do, it's what we bring into the house or car on out feet and clothes that gets on the dog. A foot bath on the road would be something like a wide mouth small coffee cut or bowl with 1 part white vinger and 4 parts water put one foot at a time (your really doing it for the parts that touch the ground) swish it around a minute and blot with a towel, it is easy and quick. Here in the south the pollen is bad right now and everywhere.

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I"d take Robbie's information to heart - good for you, Robbie. I agree with everything you said.

Tue, 20 Mar 2012 13:15:18 (PDT)

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