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HELP!!! Teeth - How long is Too long?

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I have a pup that is a little over 4 months old - still no pre molars and his K9's have just came in since I brought him home at 8 weeks old, I have taken him to two local vets for his lack of teeth that said it was very odd to not have teeth in (average once a month). Today I took him to a better vet, out of town, more canine oriented and she referred me to a specialist for dental x rays and possible tissue removal or??? The swelling is pretty bad, and last week he became droopy drawers (just not him self) and was put on amoxicillin for possible infection from his teeth.

I bought him specifically to show and breed - and now at a point where I am wondering if he is even appropriate to breed - could this be a genetic problem?

or is this a problem at all? I understand some lines are slow to go getting teeth - but how slow is too slow? These vets are canine oriented but not super Havanese oriented.

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Have you talked to your breeder about this? What did they say?


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yes I did - last week before today's appointment, she said "her pups are always gone before his age and not been a problem that she knows of"

even the specialist said this is not a common thing (on the phone).................. did not offer any genetic awareness.

I am getting ready to call her again now; need to get my thoughts clear and know what I want to ask of her - I am thinking a replacement would be the best thing at this point - the specialist would be extremely expensive and no guarantee he will pull through. and on the out side chance it is genetic - I sure do not want anyone else to have this same experience.

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I am so sad!!!!
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She's NEVER kept one of her own pups to show or breed? That seems highly unusual.


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Yes it does. she did offer a replacement when one is available or cash back when she gets him sold. I am sure she means after taking him to her vet for "repair"

She said just a freek thing - sometimes things happen.

I will return him in two weeks when I can make the trip AGAIN keep him on amoxicillin until then, and when we do meet will request cash back after sale - as I do not have the heart or stomach to risk this again.

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Yes it does. she did offer a replacement when one is available or cash back when she gets him sold. I am sure she means after taking him to her vet for "repair"

She said just a freek thing - sometimes things happen.

I will return him in two weeks when I can make the trip AGAIN keep him on amoxicillin until then, and when we do meet will request cash back after sale - as I do not have the heart or stomach to risk this again.

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Very sad. It's hard to give him/her up.

Did the breeder say what he/she is going to do with the puppy after you return it?

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Oh my! I feel bad for everyone in this situation! You, the breeder and especially the puppy! But, even at 8 weeks, the puppy should have had some teeth. I would think the breeder would have thought so too! Shame on her/him for putting you through this!
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I am very concerned for the pup!!! I think she will do the right thing by him - and I do pray for a great out come for him. I have had a real hard time with this - but some how knew in my gut after the 2nd dental exam that this would be the out come just super hard to choke down!!

I have already been mislead twice by breeders in this area - ended up paying vet bills and selling as pet quality. Then this time bought from out of state - thus being S/E MO and me being new prompted that decission - paid way more out of pocket for the purchase - and now this....

Honest I am just sick!!

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I need to study teeth because I herd about some having six something and some four something. I looked in maddies back part and she seems like she is missing some. She also had dubbed front teeth and had to have some pulled. So maybe it is a gene that is flawed.
Maybe you can find a Havanese club to join and go to shows. Its much better to be able to look at different lines and decide a show potential than to just find anyone who will sell full papered. The process may take up to a year but its worth it if showing and breeding is what you really want to do.

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Yes I agree with you 100% Suzi I have been looking for a club / training classes in my area for a while now and the closest AKC training club I have been able to find is a 2 1/2 hour drive each way. I guess I live in the sticks - haha The local clubs are ACA and MPBA - both of which I have been guarded against from an HCA member and it seems when people find out I in live in MO the stigma attached does effect the contact - MO does not have the best reputation for breeders.

On a more positive note I am going to attend an AKC show May 5th & 6th in St Louis I will attend the ACA shows in Poplar Bluff also I picked up a flyer from Pet Co yesterday and they have some puppy classes - they are in Cape Girardeau which is much closer 45 minutes I am attending the MPBA meetings once a month strictly for the speakers and the knowledge I might gain :/ Honestly I am considering biting the "gas" bullet and making the 5 hour drive for the one hour meeting in Jefferson County; they sound great on their web site, offer tons of classes and might be able to make some doggy friends. (being a suburb of St Louis may present a different out look

The genetics involved with my male is what stops me from continuing dental care. I just have a feeling that even if I fork out 1000's of dollars to correct his mouth his pups may present this same issue - and it seems genetics are a real open ended question, no one knows for sure. so it's not that I am dropping the ball on him as much as it is keeping my focus and insisting on getting what I paid for "this time" as I am pretty soft and tend to "fall in love" very easy - and at my own expense sometimes.

I am in the; research and refine stage. I am not disheartened - determined to keep pushing forward - and become a reputable show breeder in S/E MO eventually it will come together.

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