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HOW SMALL IS "SMALL"?

My heart just breaks for those of you who have/are experiencing liver issues. Altho it certainly isn't always the case it seems the so called "small" dogs seem to be at higher risk.

Can anyone give any guidance of what is actually considered SMALL and do you suggest periodic blood work for those consdiered "small"??????

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Great question Catherine - I was just wondering the same thing. Do you know the size of your sire and dam? I know genetics plays a big role as does whether your Havanese comes from fast or slow maturing lines.


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I know Shadow was thought to be small, weighing only 5.8 lbs. at 8 mos. old. I never measured her height.

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As you know, I am certainly no expert in this area as we are in the diagnosis stages of liver problems with our little Gracie. I would recommend looking through the threads (as I did) and compare her weight and age with other havanese from this forum. It will give you at least a guideline. When I did that I realized there were only a couple as small as she was at her age. I agree looking at the size of her mom & dad and brothers & sisters. This will help gage what she should be. If your dog is on the smaller end - it may be reason for concern. I'm not talking a few ounces difference. The pup will stand out as being quite a bit smaller - a pound or two or more. Some dogs are naturally smaller with no problems, but wouldn't you want to know for sure? From my experience if there is any question - test. A Bile Acid test is about $100. Many times a simple blood panel can detect a problem and that is even cheaper. It is much easier to work with when the problem is resolved earlier. Less damage, etc. This is coming from someone with NO medical background just personal experience. I am coming to realize that my fully grown Yorkshire Terrier of 2.8 lbs. probably had a liver shunt years ago. I honestly have NEVER had a healthy dog in my adult life. I'm beginning to get a complex!! You want a healthy dog - if there is question - test. I sound repeative, but I think worth repeating. I'm rambling now, but this topic is heavy on my heart right now.

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I've wondered about this too because Gucci is on the smaller side and we really picked her, not because she was "small" but that she was the runt, and I've always had a soft spot for 'runts' and my DH believes they always 'make great dogs', etc.

Right now, she is 8.5...which is what her breeder told me she would end up as...8-9. Although, at 6 months I think she was around 6 lbs? It seemed she quit growing at 9-10 months.

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I'm so sorry to hear about Gracie. I know how heartwrenchiing and nerve wracking this is. And there's very little that can be said to ease the pain and concern. Just remember you're not alone.

I also wondered what compromised "small" and if there is a certain age when the liver shunts are most often diagnosed. Tess is less than 10 pounds at 5 years old so I'm thinking she definitely fits into the "small" category but wondering if she's passed the danger zone at her age?

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One thing I do and I have been very lucky with teh girls being healthy but I do a yearly blood exam. It isn't everything but it is suppose to catch things ahead of time. Here is an article that tells why it is important and what it helps. http://ezinearticles.com/?A-Blood-Te...-Dog&id=805085

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As you can clearly see - as I described in my earlier post . . . like Kara, some think their dogs are small - 6 lbs. at 6 months. (Don't get me wrong - they are small . . .) But that is why it is clear to me then - that MY Gracie fits into the "extra small" catergory at 4 lbs. 4 oz. at 6 months. You can see there is an extreme difference in what I thought was small and what the general consensus of small really is. Hence, the reason to begin my concern for her. Just saying she is small is not a clear enough definition.

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Karen--I am not an expert, but I agree with you. I would use the 1#/month as a minimum guideline with puppies. Anything smaller needs to be checked. Knowing what I know now, I would probably check a dog that meets the 1#/month standard. Nobody wants to "waste" money, but if the tests are normal, peace of mind is worth the price.
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Knowing what I know now, I would probably check a dog that meets the 1#/month standard. Nobody wants to "waste" money, but if the tests are normal, peace of mind is worth the price.
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