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Question Help, I need advice.....

Many of you will remember my thread about Lulu and a liver shunt. Well, now I have a question. I have been reading the recent posts about Gracie and Ricky and it brings back all my old worries. Lulu was growing so slow and had a pre bile acid of 60 and a normal post result (I know, backward?) Then a month later we repeated it and it was 100% normal. Since then she has grown to her current weight of 6.4 lbs at 9 months. She was spayed at 6 months and sailed through the surgery. She eats well, etc. All seems well but she is small. There are certainly a lot of small, healthy havanese, aren't there?
Should I have her re-tested again or should I just go on and enjoy her and "get over it"?

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Oh, and the specialist I saw at UC DAVIS San Diego didn't even seem concerned about the results of her first bile acid test....

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I feel it's always a good idea to be on the safe side. If it were me, I would redo the bile acid test, just for peace of mind. Bella had no symptoms until she was 1.5 years old. She also had bloodwork twice that showed her levels to be fine. There are some healthy small havanese, but it doesn't hurt to be cautious. Good luck!





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Your situation sounds very similar to someone else I know. Things seemed to look pretty bad at first and improved with each test that followed.

Yes, there is a lot of worry involved with liver disease, shunts and general problems, but try not to worry if you don't have any results that say you should. Have you talked to your vet or the specialist about retesting and when that should be done?

UC Davis has a San Diego branch? Interesting!
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You know, those of us who've had dogs of any breed with liver problems tend to be paranoid. Heck, I've had 2 blood tests and a bile acid test on Maddie and she's perfectly good sized. I still intend on getting a blood test every 2 years just to catch any health problem (diabetes, liver, kidney, etc.) at an early stage. Its just for MY peace of mind. I'm sure Lulu is just a small Havanese, and many of these can be healthy. So you have to do what's best for your peace of mind. If she were mine, I'd wait 6 months from the last test and maybe do one more. But that's just me. If UC Davis didn't think she had a problem, that's certainly a positive sign.

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OK, now I remember--you thought that Lulu had a shunt, because she had a set of elevated BATs, but then a set of normal. Since Lulu is still very small, I WOULD repeat them. I am trying to remember why you saw the specialist. How old was Lulu when those first tests were taken. And although there are a few, we have not had many on this forum that are healthy and small. Let's please add Lulu to that list of Healthy AND Small!!
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I can't imagine my vet turning down the $$$ to do another test, I will see what he says. Knowing him, he may think I'm paranoid, lol, no, he knows I'm paranoid. I probably will for peace of mind.
Linda, I didn't know Bella had 2 good bile acids before her bad one. Yikes, how can any of us ever be sure.
Kimberly, I don't think this UC Davis speciality clinic has been open for very long but it is really great!
Jeanne, I like your plan!!
Cheryl, those first tests were done at about 4 1/2 months because she wasn't gaining any weight. When I got her at 3 months she weighed 3.2 and the breeder predicted about 9 1/2 lbs at full size due to her calculations. I saw the specialist when her first bile acids came back at 60 ish fasting and normal after eating. He was not impressed with her test and wanted her re-tested. A month after the first test we re-tested and she was completely normal.
We kind of concluded that she had her puppy shots too early and her rabies shot at 4 months seemed to really affect her. That was when she stopped growing.
Now she is exactly 9 months and 6.4 lbs.
She loves to eat and is always begging for "people" food. Her mainstay is Wellness Puppy kibble and I add salmon oil.
I think I should wait a couple more months and then re-test. That is IF I can wait. I'm a compulsive little devil!

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Carole.
Bella did not have the bile acid test until she showed symptoms. The bloodtests she had were full panel bloodtests but never showed any liver problem. The bile acid test is more accurate .





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Carole.
Bella did not have the bile acid test until she showed symptoms. The bloodtests she had were full panel bloodtests but never showed any liver problem. The bile acid test is more accurate .
Oh, OK. When Lulu was spayed at 6 months her lab work was normal too.

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