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Teddy is three years old and has recently been diagnosed with chondrodysplasia. He has dysplasia of his elbow, and the leg bone is very curved. One leg is more severely affected than the other one, although the other leg does have this to a lesser degree. I understand now that this is rather common in Havanese dogs. The specialist that we were referred to and saw yesterday said that Teddy's is moderate and that surgery isn't necessary at this time, and may never be. Does anyone have any experience with this?

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Teddy is gorgeous!! My dogs dont have that specifically but they do have luxating patellas which can make them lame. But they are all very active happy pups, really dont show any symptoms. It is good news that they dont think surgery is necessary. Welcome to the forum.
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Welcome A.G. Teddy looks so sweet.

We have two Havs, Ricky at 8.5 months, the other, Sammy, is 8 months old. Sammy seems to have a bit of a turn in his front feet, but for now we can't see anything indicating a huge problem. I haven't seen any Hav with Teddy's condition, but there are many of them that do have this. I can't really help you, but wanted to say 'hi' and welcome you to the forum.




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Teddy is very cute I love his light coat too!! Funny thing is, is that Oreo sits down just like Teddy, his feet always splay to the side

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My three all sit like that too - we call it the Pooh Bear sit.

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MacGyver just had surgery for this last week -- his condition was pretty bad, and the elbow joint was being affected. I'm glad you don't need surgery. The surgery itself went fine, but the rehab is long. He's supposed to be crated except when outside "doing his business" for the next 5 weeks. (We've interpreted "crate" to mean "lap.") Then we have exercises and controlled walks for another 5 weeks. It's going to be a long spring! MacGyver's being very good, but he dearly wants to play fetch and doesn't understand why he can't.

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No experience but some knowledge. It seems like most of them get along fine. There is a large variation in amounts of bowing in dogs considered to have CD. Some never experience any ill effects from it. TAMU is currently working on a grading system but nothing out yet.

If you look at some of the pictures of the dogs that Dorothy Goodale started with you will see some bowed legs. This doesn't mean that there is no CD behind Havanese coming out of Europe. Dogs went from here to Sweden and different places on their way where they are coming from now. A group even went to Hungary looking for DNA different than the Goodale dogs lines and didn't find any. Another group went to Cuba and got some DNA but I haven't heard any results from that yet.

A few years ago it was estimated that 1/3 of all Havanese had CD based on: a survey, what judges who knew the difference said, and people like Pam and Diane have said(who have probably had their hands on more Havanese than anyone else(and know what they are looking at).

Most people simply didn't and don't know the difference. One of the first Havanese to be put up in one of the TV shows after we joined the AKC was a CD dog-the judge said he was the only one in the ring with "short legs" which the short standard from AKC called for at that time.

During the Havanese 100 Study, owners of the dogs in the study were asked to take soaped pictures of their dogs with the hair plastered down with wet soap. Among other things, the front legs were to be compared. This was when a lot of Havanese people first started "soaping" dogs. Margie wrote a good article in the current issue of the Hotline on how to take soaped pictures. I took the 2 pictures in the Hotline with the front leg views while Pam stacked the dogs. We do that with all our dogs and puppies.

Most responsible breeders have pulled the dogs with bowed legs from their breeding program. I don't believe anyone on the HCA recommended breeder list is breeding CD dogs now. At least I hope not.

There is a synopsis of the Heart Study also in the current Hotline for those that haven't kept up with it and are interested in the part that CD plays.

But CD is back there in just about every pedigree there is and the mode of inheritance has not been determined. Two straight legged dogs can be bred and produce a CD dog.

One of the reasons we only will ever breed a female that goes back tail-female to our Twinkle is that none of those females have ever produced a single bowed leg. But we have only bred to a couple of outside males. One of our males, who now also all go back tail-female to Twinkle, did produce one bowed leg but that was out of an outside female, that I will not name, whose line has had some problems-so it's not something that can be "fixed" as might be claimed by a stud owner.

There is no sure answer to only breeding correct dogs yet. Breeders just have to do the best they can which involves a lot more than just putting two dogs together. Unfortunately, as much health testing as is done by the best breeders there is no final answer even with all the time, money, and effort being put into it.

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Chondrodysplasia

Thank so much for welcoming me to this forum. This is great!!! I never see any other Havanese dogs and I love the opportunity to exchange information with all of you! It’s so cute that your dogs sit like Teddy does, and funny that it’s the “Pooh Bear” sit – Teddy’s registered name is Kathy’s Teddy Bear, because he looks so much like a Teddy Bear! Your dogs are all really adorable!!

The specialist who examined Teddy Monday said that he also has a “click” in one of his elbows. It is not stable, and will have to be watched. I think that is what is called the luxating patella, is that right? It's not causing him any problems at this time.

Good luck to MacGyver in his recovery from surgery! Teddy has been recovering from a fall off a bed, that aggravated his elbow problem, so I can identify with the recuperation. These active little dogs don't like to be unable to play!

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Hi agilitygrandma! Your Teddy is so cute! I was going to name my dog "Teddy" if I had a male, since the Hav puppies look so much like little teddy bears!

My previous Havanese had patella luxation in both knees. I think it was pretty bad in one leg, as the vet could pop it in and out of place easily. Ironically, it rarely seemed to bother her. She could run like the wind, but I wouldn't allow her to jump. I had thought of surgery, but under advice of the vet, held off until she showed signs of it causing her a problem. Sadly, she died at age 8 from liver disease. I think the patella luxation would have caused her problems when she got older, but fortunately, it would only bother her maybe once a year and she would pop it back herself by extending her hind leg.
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I am told that the luxating patella is when the "knee cap" is not attached, and slides around. Lexi does not lay down on command, as it seems to bother her legs .
She also lifts her rear leg up and out when peeing. You would think that that too bothers her, but she runs faster & can jump higher & dances for 30 seconds to a miunute on her hind legs. My feeling on this is that if she is lame, we treat it, otherwise - I dont care that she wont lay down & she seems happy. If they dont suggest treatment, I wouldnt do anything.
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