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My havs recently were acting funny so i took them to the vet and found out that their liver enzyme levels were about 1300 and normal was about 100 does anyone have any idea what might cause this the vet is stumped. Please help my pups
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do you think it could have something to do with the pet food recall? What sort of food are you feeding the lil guy?
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they are on a dry food only diet it is an Iams product but is not on there recall list.
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I found this interesting site:

http://lbah.com/liver.htm

What are the ages? Were bile acids tested?
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i actually have 2 of them one's level is normal and the other is off the chart they eat the same food. The vet said he was going to keep him on antibiodics till they run its course then do a bile test and see what happens. they are about 2 1/2.
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this is scary......please keep us informed will you?

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That is really scary!! I would call around to see if your STate has a vet clinic that is really high end & specializes in problems. We have one in Red Bank, NJ and if you any kind of high end problem, that the place to do. You could call around to other vets just to ask if anyone has encountered this before.
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I know I have gotten in trouble for asking this before but I will ask it again just for curiousity sake ..
Do you use any Swifter products to clean with . Do you use it on your floors or have you used the the dusters. ? What kind of cleaning products do you use in your home ? Do you have any pesticides sprayed around your homes .. for ants or other bugs . Here in the desert it is a must as we have scorpions but I try to keep it to a minimum and the dogs are not allowed in that area ..
Do you have neighbors that might be irritated by their barking and might try to poison them .
Do you think your neighbors use toxic pesticides . ?
What do you use on your lawn if you have a lawn .. as some of the lawn products are very toxic ..
Do you dogs get in the garage where there may be unsafe chemicals such as antifreeze ..
What about toxic plants in the house - or the yard ? What detergent do you use to wash their bedding in ..
There is a lot of antifreeze type products in shampoos as well - Check what shampoos you use on your dog ..
Hope this is helpful - it might be some kind of toxic exposure ..
Keep us posted ..
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Unfortunately, I've learned more than I ever wanted to know about liver disease in dogs. Our precious prior Havanese died not too long ago from it at the age of 8. First of all, there could be different causes for the elevated enzymes. If it is from toxicity (drugs, pesticides, etc.), the liver CAN recover if the toxin is removed from the dog's environment. The liver has regenerative capacity, so that's good. However, there are numerous other causes such as hepatitis, bacterial infections, portosystemic shunts, etc. If your Havanese is still a puppy, I'd suspect a portosystemic shunt. Many shunts can be fixed by surgery. My havanese's only symptom was that she started drinking alot of water. I took her to the vet thinking maybe it was diabetes or Cushings, and she ran a blood test which showed elevated liver enzymes. Later on, I noticed a darker orange color to her urine, which meant she was spilling birirubin which was confirmed by a urinalysis.

The only definitive way to diagnose liver disease is a liver biopsy. The vet had a specialist come in to do it, guided by ultrasound. Unfortunately for my dog, she had a fibrotic liver which meant her disease was quite advanced. There are multiple medicines that can be used to help liver dogs, but first you need to find out the cause of the elevated enzymes. A bile acid test is a good first step, but a biopsy would eventually be needed for a diagnosis. I found an excellent liver specialist for my dog, and I would recommend that a specialist be consulted, since vets don't have alot of the latest info on liver disease. There are 2 natural liver supportive drugs, Sam-e and Milk Thistle that were added by the specialist to my dog's drug and diet regimen. They can be bought in canine form (Denosyl and Marin). Plus, there is a specific low protein, low fat diet the dog must be on to support the liver.

Don't assume the worst. If the enzymes are elevated due to your dog taking a drug (such as prednisone or phenobarbitol), this can temporarily elevate the enzymes and your dog may recover fully. Or the elevated enzymes could be secondary to some other process such as Cushings. But I would urge you to not wait on a diagnosis, since you said your dog is "acting funny". One of the stages of liver disease is hepatic encepholopathy, which causes strange behavior. If you'd like, just PM me and I can give you alot of info that I gathered during my dog's illness.

I wish you the best with your Havanese!
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Maddie's Mom,
Thank you for sharing this information.Thank Goodness we have never had this experience,but I want to stay informed........

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