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Distilled water & minerals

I know many of us give our dogs distilled water to help with tear stains (or crystals). If I understand correctly, distilled water is basically boiled water or water with minerals removed. However, I've read conflicting info about those minerals being required and read warnings that distilled water should not be given exclusively or should be given with a supplement. Has anyone on the forum received a vet's opinion?
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I know many of us give our dogs distilled water to help with tear stains (or crystals). If I understand correctly, distilled water is basically boiled water or water with minerals removed. However, I've read conflicting info about those minerals being required and read warnings that distilled water should not be given exclusively or should be given with a supplement. Has anyone on the forum received a vet's opinion?
Boiling water does not distill it. And yes, all the minerals are removed from distilled water. I know people aren't supposed to drink distilled water, as we need those minerals. I would GUESS the same might be true of dogs, but I don't know for sure. Most of the people I know use bottled water for their dogs, but not distilled water. Most bottled water has lower amounts of minerals than many (though not all) water supplies, so maybe that would help. With a black faced dog, I haven't had to deal with a lot of staining, though his little white "soul patch" isn't as white as it was when he was a baby!


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It's an interesting question. Us fish people usually know a bit about our local water quality. Here in Vancouver, our tap water is extremely pretty soft and even a little acidic (pH 6.8) coming out of the tap (freaking awesome for S American fishes). We have basically no measurable hardness or alkalinity, so it's very close to neutral pH with little to no mineral content, and in that regard, quite similar to distilled water, though no doubt contains other elements that distilled does not. My pet birds and I have been drinking the tap water for years (it's delicious) and the new puppy has been and will continue doing the same. I haven't heard of any warnings locally about adding minerals to the animal's diet or anything like that because of our soft water. So I would be inclined to think that offering distilled (or reverse osmosis) water would not be an issue for the majority of pets who otherwise have a well-balanced diet containing the correct proportions of the necessary minerals like Calcium, magnesium, etc...

I'm obviously not a vet though, and just a fish geek extrapolating out loud.
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It's an interesting question. Us fish people usually know a bit about our local water quality. Here in Vancouver, our tap water is extremely pretty soft and even a little acidic (pH 6.8) coming out of the tap (freaking awesome for S American fishes). We have basically no measurable hardness or alkalinity, so it's very close to neutral pH with little to no mineral content, and in that regard, quite similar to distilled water, though no doubt contains other elements that distilled does not. My pet birds and I have been drinking the tap water for years (it's delicious) and the new puppy has been and will continue doing the same. I haven't heard of any warnings locally about adding minerals to the animal's diet or anything like that because of our soft water. So I would be inclined to think that offering distilled (or reverse osmosis) water would not be an issue for the majority of pets who otherwise have a well-balanced diet containing the correct proportions of the necessary minerals like Calcium, magnesium, etc...

I'm obviously not a vet though, and just a fish geek extrapolating out loud.
And RO water still has a fair mineral component, just much lower than the original. (but I doubt many people here have the ability to produce RO water )

I think that for people who live in areas with high mineral content, bottled water (at least the bottled water I've tested) is similar to yours… quite soft, neutral pH. I think I'd still go with that rather than distilled water, at least unless I checked with the vet first. And regular bottled water is a lot cheaper than distilled.

And, honestly, while I know a lot of people who use bottled water for their Havs, I haven't heard many who were able to solve tear staining that way. I do use bottled water for Kodi when we're traveling, because we've had a couple of instances where the water changes on the road have caused him some tummy trouble, and poopy butt is NOT something pleasant to deal with on the road. Keeping him on bottled water seems to solve the problem while traveling. At home, though, he drinks our tap water, just like we do, just run through the carbon filter on our refrigerator. (Our water isn't as soft as yours, but still relatively soft… KH and GH @4.


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I have been giving Suki water run through a filter. However, if she gets water from outside from my other dog's bowl, it is tap water.

I notice she tears a LOT and hope it has to do with the length of her facial fluff in her eyes and/or pollen season. She does have a lot of red/brown coloring, so harder to tell if it is stain or coloring. My husband detests tearing dogs. I dry her with a soft cotton baby diaper so he doesn't get grossed out.

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I have been giving Suki water run through a filter. However, if she gets water from outside from my other dog's bowl, it is tap water.

I notice she tears a LOT and hope it has to do with the length of her facial fluff in her eyes and/or pollen season. She does have a lot of red/brown coloring, so harder to tell if it is stain or coloring. My husband detests tearing dogs. I dry her with a soft cotton baby diaper so he doesn't get grossed out.
How old is she? A lot of Havanese tear a lot while they are teething and then it clears up. For a few, it's a life-long problem, and obviously it shows more on the lighter colored dogs. I have heard that the dogs with shorter noses and rounder eyes have more problems with tearing.


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How old is she? A lot of Havanese tear a lot while they are teething and then it clears up. For a few, it's a life-long problem, and obviously it shows more on the lighter colored dogs. I have heard that the dogs with shorter noses and rounder eyes have more problems with tearing.
Karen, she is almost 12 weeks. She has ridiculously long eyelashes and round eyes, I would say. Her coat is growing crazy right now and she has fur all around her eyes. It would make my eyes tears! She is in a perpetual state of bed-head! I am not sure if her nose is short, having a Pug to compare to, her nose looks long to me.

I try to keep her dry, but am not sure if even the wiping contributes.

Even so, she is just so darn cute! I wuv her.

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I am lucky to have access to distilled water (even have a choice of 1st, 2nd or 3rd distilled water, but only use 1st), and the difference in my Hav is very significant. Here is a picture before I used distilled water:
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Karen, she is almost 12 weeks. She has ridiculously long eyelashes and round eyes, I would say. Her coat is growing crazy right now and she has fur all around her eyes. It would make my eyes tears! She is in a perpetual state of bed-head! I am not sure if her nose is short, having a Pug to compare to, her nose looks long to me.

I try to keep her dry, but am not sure if even the wiping contributes.

Even so, she is just so darn cute! I wuv her.

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So she's got a long time to go before she's done with puppy teeth and teething. I'd just keep here face as clean and dry as possible. You can also use a bit of chap stick on the hair around her eyes, to smooth it down and keep it out of her eyes until her hair is long enouth that you can keep it up.


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