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Poop...can we talk?

Poop is not the nicest subject to discuss, but I'm driving myself crazy.
(I did post this on the FB page, so if this is a repeat, sorry about that)

Teddy has been on Simply Nourish since we brought him home (switched him slowly from Royal Canine) back in March/April. He's been doing pretty well on it all this time; there were days where he didn't eat at all, but the vet said sometimes little ones can be finicky like that and Teddy was growing well. Every so often his poop would be really soft. (a few here on the forum also told me NOT to give in to Teddy being picky with his food)
About a month ago I noticed his poop was soft more often than not and he even had a few bouts of diarrhea; 1-2 days a week for two weeks) I thought it was the treats we were giving him, so we stopped all treats except the small training treats (Pet Botanics Training Reward) he's had for months and months. We thought we would add back one kind of treat at a time to see which one, if any, was causing it.
The past two weeks he's been eating VERY well and his poops were little "tootsie rolls", with a day or so here and there being soft and a few times VERY soft where it's almost impossible to pick up. I found out my hubby was giving him one of his biscuits once in the morning (he says he doesn't remember me telling him NO treats, UGH MEN!!)...so now I've bundled them all & put them away completely. And the past 4 days has only had the training treats. Well, he left us a 'present' the other day when we were out for an hour. And just now, he had an extremely soft poop that I had to pull out grass to get it up...he also took a few steps, had a few more 'droplets' and then another few steps. <sigh> The last being what looked like mucus.
I just bought a brand new bag of his food and I'm not sure I should continue to give it to him. I know you should change food gradually, but all I have is this brand new bag.
I did a LOT of research before switching him to Simply Nourish & Dog Adviser gave this food a very high rating.
Anyone have any ideas? I'm about to bake treats from scratch and now not sure I should do that!
I KNOW some of you are going to say to give him RAW food...I can tell you that isn't going to happen in this house.
Is it possible that the last bag of food was 'bad'?? It takes him about 4-5 weeks to go through a bag of food.
http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog......y-nourish-dry/

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Molly had a period when her stools got soft and even liquidy for no apparent reason. After a thorough check up at the vets they could find nothing wrong. I used a bland diet to normalize her stools and then gradually added back her kibble. I also took away all treats that did not have the same protein as her kibble (which is bison and venison). This seemed to do the trick to get her back to normal. She is just now starting to get back some of her other favorite treats and things seem to be fine.



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Poop is not the nicest subject to discuss, but I'm driving myself crazy.
(I did post this on the FB page, so if this is a repeat, sorry about that)

Teddy has been on Simply Nourish since we brought him home (switched him slowly from Royal Canine) back in March/April. He's been doing pretty well on it all this time; there were days where he didn't eat at all, but the vet said sometimes little ones can be finicky like that and Teddy was growing well. Every so often his poop would be really soft. (a few here on the forum also told me NOT to give in to Teddy being picky with his food)
About a month ago I noticed his poop was soft more often than not and he even had a few bouts of diarrhea; 1-2 days a week for two weeks) I thought it was the treats we were giving him, so we stopped all treats except the small training treats (Pet Botanics Training Reward) he's had for months and months. We thought we would add back one kind of treat at a time to see which one, if any, was causing it.
The past two weeks he's been eating VERY well and his poops were little "tootsie rolls", with a day or so here and there being soft and a few times VERY soft where it's almost impossible to pick up. I found out my hubby was giving him one of his biscuits once in the morning (he says he doesn't remember me telling him NO treats, UGH MEN!!)...so now I've bundled them all & put them away completely. And the past 4 days has only had the training treats. Well, he left us a 'present' the other day when we were out for an hour. And just now, he had an extremely soft poop that I had to pull out grass to get it up...he also took a few steps, had a few more 'droplets' and then another few steps. <sigh> The last being what looked like mucus.
I just bought a brand new bag of his food and I'm not sure I should continue to give it to him. I know you should change food gradually, but all I have is this brand new bag.
I did a LOT of research before switching him to Simply Nourish & Dog Adviser gave this food a very high rating.
Anyone have any ideas? I'm about to bake treats from scratch and now not sure I should do that!
I KNOW some of you are going to say to give him RAW food...I can tell you that isn't going to happen in this house.
Is it possible that the last bag of food was 'bad'?? It takes him about 4-5 weeks to go through a bag of food.
http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog......y-nourish-dry/
Young dogs (and some older ones!) are prone to what is known as "dietary indiscretion". In other words, they eat all sorts of things they shouldn't, and the results are sometimes less than positive. If he is EVER off leash outdoors, it is entirely possible that he's eating something gross like dead worms or bunny poop or even half-dried grass clippings and they don't agree with his tummy.

If he is ALWAYS on leash outdoors, and you KNOW he's not eating anything else, it's possible that he has a sensitivity to some ingredient in his current food. That doesn't mean it's not a great food… any dog can have an allergy to any specific ingredient, just like people can.

You can have them tested for sensitivities by Nutriscan, either through your vet, or you can send it in yourself. (Google them) I found it was helpful to do it with my vet, as she was able to interpret the results better for me.

Or… you can try switching to a limited ingredient food, preferably with a different protein than you are currently feeding, and see if that helps. One way or the other, I'm afraid you WILL have to open that new bag of food. After you have slowly switched, you can hold onto the bag for a bit and see if the new food works better. If it looks like the new food is working, donate the open bag to a local rescue. They can always use food!


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My Reo has food intolerances. His symptoms were voluminous, soft stools and weight loss. He is now on Royal Canin Potato and Venison food, which I'm not thrilled with but works like a charm. I definitely know he cannot deal with beef or turkey.
Karen, how reliable is that test? I'd love to try it. Seems easier than the trial and error routine.

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My Reo has food intolerances. His symptoms were voluminous, soft stools and weight loss. He is now on Royal Canin Potato and Venison food, which I'm not thrilled with but works like a charm. I definitely know he cannot deal with beef or turkey.
Karen, how reliable is that test? I'd love to try it. Seems easier than the trial and error routine.
My vet suggested it, so it must be better than guess work. But I really needed her to help me decipher it, because it didn't make much sense to me. He showed no reaction at all to beef, and I KNOW he is horribly beef intolerant. She said that if the dog has had NO contact with beef for quite a while, their system calms down, and they don't show as reactive to it. Which makes sense, because we are very careful to avoid it.

Then I was confused because the only thing he showed a real sensitivity to was white fish… which I've never (knowingly) fed him. BUT, she had me take him off the salmon oil capsules he was getting, because she said there could be cross contamination. SHe also told me to read labels carefully. It turned out that our CAT food has white fish in it. And Dave has a habit of giving Kodi a few bits of her food when he fills her dish (he can't reach the dish, because it's up on a shelf) So we stopped that.

Finally, although his reaction to dairy was in the range that they consider acceptable, it was at the high end of that range. She suggested that we take him off all dairy… which is a pain, because we used a lot of cheese for training treats. Also LOTS of commercial treats have whey in them, which is the protein part of milk, and the most likely to cause a reaction. So I have to read all treat labels carefully.

The good news is that, knock wood, since we have made these changes, he hasn't had another Clostridium overgrowth. So we seem to be on the right track!


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Young dogs (and some older ones!) are prone to what is known as "dietary indiscretion". In other words, they eat all sorts of things they shouldn't, and the results are sometimes less than positive. If he is EVER off leash outdoors, it is entirely possible that he's eating something gross like dead worms or bunny poop or even half-dried grass clippings and they don't agree with his tummy.

If he is ALWAYS on leash outdoors, and you KNOW he's not eating anything else, it's possible that he has a sensitivity to some ingredient in his current food. That doesn't mean it's not a great food… any dog can have an allergy to any specific ingredient, just like people can.

You can have them tested for sensitivities by Nutriscan, either through your vet, or you can send it in yourself. (Google them) I found it was helpful to do it with my vet, as she was able to interpret the results better for me.

Or… you can try switching to a limited ingredient food, preferably with a different protein than you are currently feeding, and see if that helps. One way or the other, I'm afraid you WILL have to open that new bag of food. After you have slowly switched, you can hold onto the bag for a bit and see if the new food works better. If it looks like the new food is working, donate the open bag to a local rescue. They can always use food!
I'm not sure if you or anyone else remembers, but Teddy is like pigs in Italy that search out truffles....he searches WORMS!! It is THE grossest thing! He also will run, catch & eat bugs & the occasional dead tiny frog he finds in the grass! (ever try getting a dried up frog out of a dogs mouth???) For this reason, he is rarely off the leash in our very large FENCED yard.

I do my VERY best to get him away from whatever spot he is digging his nose in...but sometimes it's really hard. He also is a grass eater...and NOT just when his tummy is upset. Again, we do our best to keep him from doing that.

I looked up that test. EEK! $280 is quite expensive & I'm not sure we can budget that for a few months at least.

I'm going to give it one more week of just the food and training treat & keep a log (sort of like I did when the twins were babies...to remember who did what & when! LOL).

I also agree that just because a food is rated high, it doesn't mean it's for every dog. The first 2 ingredients on Simply Nourish is Chicken, Chicken Meal. They do have an adult limited ingredient food....the protein looks like Salmon.

Maybe I'll try that. Teddy is just over 10lbs and 13 months old. OK to start adult food??? Maybe the puppy food is too 'rich' for him now??

Have a SUPER-DUPER day,
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Has anyone heard of or used a prebiotic & probiotic? If so, what do you use??

Believe it or not, after almost 2 years of going from doctor to doctor & finally going to the Cleveland Clinic (sort of like the Mayo Clinic), my problem seems to have been solved with probiotics!!! Sooooo, I'm thinking could this be the same for Teddy??

Here's one I saw:
http://www.petsmart.com/featured-sho...alue%3Dfaceted

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I'm not sure if you or anyone else remembers, but Teddy is like pigs in Italy that search out truffles....he searches WORMS!! It is THE grossest thing! He also will run, catch & eat bugs & the occasional dead tiny frog he finds in the grass! (ever try getting a dried up frog out of a dogs mouth???) For this reason, he is rarely off the leash in our very large FENCED yard.

I do my VERY best to get him away from whatever spot he is digging his nose in...but sometimes it's really hard. He also is a grass eater...and NOT just when his tummy is upset. Again, we do our best to keep him from doing that.

I looked up that test. EEK! $280 is quite expensive & I'm not sure we can budget that for a few months at least.

I'm going to give it one more week of just the food and training treat & keep a log (sort of like I did when the twins were babies...to remember who did what & when! LOL).

I also agree that just because a food is rated high, it doesn't mean it's for every dog. The first 2 ingredients on Simply Nourish is Chicken, Chicken Meal. They do have an adult limited ingredient food....the protein looks like Salmon.

Maybe I'll try that. Teddy is just over 10lbs and 13 months old. OK to start adult food??? Maybe the puppy food is too 'rich' for him now??
Ha! Sounds like Kodi!

Yes, the food sensitivity testing isn't cheap, but I was spending a lot on vet bills and medicine every time he had another bout of Clostridium, to say noting of the lost sleep when he got sick. (It causes severe gas, and can be quite painful) We did try switching proteins and going to a limited ingredient food before we went with the testing, so that is not a bad place to start.

"Puppy food" is a marketing ploy to get more shelf space in the pet store. There is no reason that puppies can't be started right on "adult" dog food the day they come home, as long as the kibble is a size that they can handle. So there is no reason you can't switch now.


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Has anyone heard of or used a prebiotic & probiotic? If so, what do you use??

Believe it or not, after almost 2 years of going from doctor to doctor & finally going to the Cleveland Clinic (sort of like the Mayo Clinic), my problem seems to have been solved with probiotics!!! Sooooo, I'm thinking could this be the same for Teddy??

Here's one I saw:
http://www.petsmart.com/featured-sho...alue%3Dfaceted
Yes, Kodi gets probiotics daily. There are lots of "pet" ones on the market, and few of them have enough of the good bacteria to be useful. Get a good quality human one. My vet suggested Jarrowdophilus, which I get at Whole Foods, but my understanding is that you can get it other places too. It must be kept refrigerated, so look for it in a refrigerated case, where ever you shop.

There's another brand of human grade probiotics that Dave has mentioned, but I don't remember the name, or where you can get it. Hopefully he'll pipe up. If not, PM him, if you can't find the Jarrowdophilus.


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I'm going this same issue with Chloe regarding pooping - firm, soft, diarrhea. Took her to vet tested fine, but was put on the that antibiotic what begins with an "m" for 14 days and a bland diet for 3 weeks. She was eating Nature's Variety Chicken - I have since bought her the Salmon flavor and will begin that once she is weaned off the bland diet at the end of next week.

Since she's been on the meds and bland diet, no problem with poop. It has firmed up quite nicely. She hasn't had any treats for past two weeks. Once begin back normal diet with Salmon and I see if that helps for a least 2 weeks, before reintroducing her to treats again. I'm trying to see is she has an allergy to the chicken or something.

Also started her on probiotics human grade recommend by Dave (also vet recommend as well).


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