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Parvo vaccine

Okay, I know I've seen things here about the Parvo vaccine and Havs. I did tell my vet that we did not want the shot along with any others; and he did his rabies and other shots separate, but now Skiver is going in next week for his Parvo (plus getting a couple of baby teeth pulled). The vet said he would pretreat him with some benedryl or something in case of a reaction. He's pretty good and I trust him, but I'm still a little worried. I wouldn't even get it, but we have problems with it here in Northern Michigan, and I want my pup to be protected.

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Ollie and Austin both had Parvo - I know there are many thoughts on certain shots but I had a puppy die from Parvo when I was a young adult - DID NOT want that to happen again!!

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My parents' dogs both had parvo (the disease) a few years ago. Both survived, but one nearly didn't (she had an amazing recovery just after my dad gave the go ahead to euthanize her because she wasn't improving). The vet bills were in the thousands, and the dogs were very very sick. They had been told when they got the dogs that they had been vaccinated, but that turned out not to be the case. I'm nervous about vaccines for Dusty more than I ever was for our lab, but we'll still go ahead. She hasn't had any bad reactions that I know of, but she had most all her shots before we got her.
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I would say in Michigan get it. When we got Belle we were living in Ann Arbor. A month before a neighbor in the same condos bought a golden retriever puppy and it ended up having parvo. We gave her the shot because we knew there was some exposure in the general area.

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Parvo

Parvo is mandatory - and I have not had a problem with it. My pups get 4 Distemper Parvo shots. Lepto and Rabies are the most likely to cause problems.

Parvo is nasty in Texas so my vet is not happy with any less than four shots.

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Vaccination Protocol

Here is the vaccination protocol we use and recommend on all my pups.

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vaccination protocol

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Joanne V Baldwin, DVM

January 12, 2003


I have been a practicing veterinarian in clinical small animal medicine since 1973 and have been actively involved with Havanese (show and breeding) since 1992. I am President of the Havanese Club of America and Chair of the HCA Health Committee and also co-founder of H.E.A.R.T., a non-profit organization dedicated to supporting research into Havanese health issues and educating the public about these issues. In addition to my own dogs I see many other Havanese in my clinical practice. There have been numerous reports of vaccination reactions, some quite severe, in Havanese and I suspect this may be a vaccine sensitive breed.

This is my recommendation for vaccination of Havanese…

Havanese Vaccination Protocol

• 7-8 wks Distemper/Parvo Vaccine (Intervet Puppyshot)-wait 3 weeks then
• 10-11wks Distemper/Parvo/Parainfluenza,Adeno2 This can be give either as a 5 way, such as Duramune Max 5 or as a distemper/parvo (Intervet Puppyshot) and an intranasal (Intervet KCPlus which includes Adeno2, parainfluenza and Bordetella.) Wait three weeks then
• 13-14wks Repeat 10-11wk vaccination Wait 3 weeks then
• 16-17 wks. Rabies
• 1 year later: Distemper, Adeno2, Parainfluenza , Parvo. Wait 3 weeks then
• Booster Rabies 3 year vaccination.

I do not recommend the use of Lepto bacterin unless faced with an outbreak and then it should be given separately from all other vaccines at least 3weeks apart from any other vaccination and never before 9 weeks of age. If Lepto is given, be sure that the bacterin used contains the serovar(s) causing the outbreak.

I never recommend using Corona vaccine considering it, at best, unnecessary. There is simply no justification to support the use of this vaccine component.

I have consulted several of the top researchers in the USA, including Ron Schultz and Leland Carmichael (Cornell University) about canine diseases and vaccinations. The general consensus is that annual vaccinations are unnecessary and, indeed, possibly harmful. For my own dogs, I run titers annually even though there is some controversy on their relevance (research has shown that immunity in the face of challenge is dependent on memory cells, rather than antibodies so a low titer does not necessarily indicate lack of immunity.)





Further information on the subject of vaccinations and protocols can be found at a number of internet sites including:
Canine Vaccination Protocols
Richard B. Ford, DVM, MS, Dipl ACVIM
Professor of Medicine, North Carolina State University
North Carolina, USA
[email protected]
http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proce...A2002&PID=2614

Vaccination Protocols Information (a variety of links on the subject)
http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/vaccine-protocols.html

www.ivis.org (a search on dog vaccination protocols brings up 387 papers on the subject!)
An example is this excerpt from Dr Ron Schultz:

“Coronavirus vaccines - Although approximately 50% of practices routinely use coronavirus vaccine, most vaccine experts agree that this vaccine is not needed. Some experts consider CCV vaccines useless. Clinical disease rarely occurs with CCV infection and when disease does occur it is usually mild, self-limiting and most commonly seen in pups less than 8 weeks of age - an age which is earlier than vaccine would provide benefit. Based on our observations that the preponderance of clinical cases caused by CCV occur in young pups, any "protection" derived from vaccination of pups or from natural infection would, in the practical sense, last a lifetime. Furthermore, CCV alone has not been shown to experimentally cause significant disease in susceptible dogs. The demonstration that CCV can enhance the severity of disease caused by CPV-2, does not suggest a need for CCV vaccine since dogs vaccinated with CPV-2 vaccine only, are completely protected when co-infected with a combination of CCV and CPV-2. [6] CCV vaccine alone provided no protection for dogs challenged with a combination of CCV and CPV-2.”

The complete text of this article can be found online at:

http://www.ivis.org/advances/Infect_...r_frm.asp?LA=1

Dr Schultz is the head of the Dept of Pathobiology at the University of Wisconsin, department of Veterinary Medicine. His complete CV can be found at:

http://svmweb.vetmed.wisc.edu/VetWeb...aspx?ItemID=25

If anyone has any questions on this, or other Havanese health issues, feel free to contact me by email: [email protected] or by phone at my office.

Joanne V Baldwin, DVM
Cardinal Animal Hospital
11518 Allecingie Pkwy
Richmond, VA 23235
804-794-8028

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Actually Doc has updated her vaccination information (I follow this with my puppies also). She now recommends the first series of shots to be between
8-9 weeks (my babies go tomorrow!).

Here is her most recent update~

May 8, 2007

I am a veterinarian in small animal practice since 1973 and have
been actively involved with Havanese (show and breeding) since 1992.
I am the former President of the Havanese Club of America and Chair
of the HCA Health Committee and also co-founder of H.E.A.R.T., a non-
profit organization dedicated to supporting research into Havanese
health issues and educating the public about these issues. In
addition to my own dogs I see many other Havanese in my clinical
practice. There have been numerous reports of vaccination reactions,
some quite severe, in Havanese and I suspect this may be a vaccine
sensitive breed.

This is my recommendation for vaccination of Havanese…

Havanese Vaccination Protocol

• 8-9 wks Distemper/Parvo Vaccine (Intervet Puppyshot)-wait 3
weeks then
• 11-12wks Distemper/Parvo/Parainfluenza,Adeno2 This can be
give either as a 5 way, such as Duramune Max 5 or as a
distemper/parvo (Intervet Puppyshot) and an intranasal (Intervet
KCPlus which includes Adeno2, parainfluenza and Bordetella.) Wait
three weeks then
• 14-15wks Repeat 11-12wk vaccination Wait 3 weeks then
• 17-18 wks. Rabies
• 1 year later: Distemper, Adeno2, Parainfluenza , Parvo. Wait
3 weeks then Booster Rabies 3 year vaccination. (Some states require
annual Rabies vaccination. If this is the case, do separate Rabies
vaccination at least three weeks apart from any other vaccination.)
• Following the 1 year boosters, there are a couple of
options.
o AAHA has recommended boostering every 3 years with core
vaccines. There are now combination vaccinations for distemper,
adeno and parvo which are labeled for 3 years by challenge. Non-core
vaccines should only be used if the risk of the disease is greater
than the risk of the vaccination. Non-core vaccines include
Bordetella/Parainfluenza, Lyme, and the bacterin, Lepto.
o An alternative is to run titers for distemper/parvo to
assess likely immunity. There is some controversy about whether a
low titer actually indicates lack of immunity (see notes about
memory cells in the references given) but an adequate titer gives me
confidence about continued immunity.

I do not recommend the use of Lepto bacterin unless faced with an
outbreak and then it should be given separately from all other
vaccines at least 3weeks apart from any other vaccination and never
before 9 weeks of age. If Lepto is given, be sure that the bacterin
used contains the serovar(s) causing the outbreak.

I never recommend using Corona vaccine considering it, at best,
unnecessary. There is simply no justification to support the use of
this vaccine component.

I have consulted several of the top researchers in the USA,
including Ron Schultz and Leland Carmichael (Cornell University)
about canine diseases and vaccinations. The general consensus is
that annual vaccinations are unnecessary and, indeed, possibly
harmful. For my own dogs, I run titers annually even though there is
some controversy on their relevance (research has shown that
immunity in the face of challenge is dependent on memory cells,
rather than antibodies so a low titer does not necessarily indicate
lack of immunity.)

Further information on the subject of vaccinations and protocols can
be found at a number of internet sites including:
Canine Vaccination Protocols
Richard B. Ford, DVM, MS, Dipl ACVIM
Professor of Medicine, North Carolina State University
North Carolina, USA
[email protected]
http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proce...A2002&PID=2614

Vaccination Protocols Information (a variety of links on the subject)
http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/vaccine-protocols.html

www.ivis.org (a search on dog vaccination protocols brings up 387
papers on the subject!)
An example is this excerpt from Dr Ron Schultz:

"Coronavirus vaccines - Although approximately 50% of practices
routinely use coronavirus vaccine, most vaccine experts agree that
this vaccine is not needed. Some experts consider CCV vaccines
useless. Clinical disease rarely occurs with CCV infection and when
disease does occur it is usually mild, self-limiting and most
commonly seen in pups less than 8 weeks of age - an age which is
earlier than vaccine would provide benefit. Based on our
observations that the preponderance of clinical cases caused by CCV
occur in young pups, any "protection" derived from vaccination of
pups or from natural infection would, in the practical sense, last a
lifetime. Furthermore, CCV alone has not been shown to
experimentally cause significant disease in susceptible dogs. The
demonstration that CCV can enhance the severity of disease caused by
CPV-2, does not suggest a need for CCV vaccine since dogs vaccinated
with CPV-2 vaccine only, are completely protected when co-infected
with a combination of CCV and CPV-2. [6] CCV vaccine alone provided
no protection for dogs challenged with a combination of CCV and CPV-
2."

The complete text of this article can be found online at:

http://www.ivis.org/advances/Infect_...ltz/chapter_fr
m.asp?LA=1

Dr Schultz is the head of the Dept of Pathobiology at the University
of Wisconsin, department of Veterinary Medicine. His complete CV can
be found at:

http://svmweb.vetmed.wisc.edu/VetWeb...artments.aspx?
ItemID=25

If anyone has any questions on this, or other Havanese health
issues, feel free to contact me by email: [email protected] or by phone
at my office.

Joanne V Baldwin, DVM
Cardinal Animal Hospital
11518 Allecingie Pkwy
Richmond, VA 23235
804-794-8028


Katie

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Vaccination protocol

Thanks I have the updated on also. Because of Pravo I will still probably start at 7 weeks.
Sorry I posted the wrong one.

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That's great information! Thanks for sharing. We just got a 5 month old Havanese and he hasn't had any vaccinations yet. The vet suggested waiting a week to give the puppy some time to adjust to his new environment before starting vaccinations. We're pretty much house-bound for now because we don't want to take that chance. We'll definitely be taking these instructions to the vet when we go next week!

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