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Positive Thoughts for Frannie

Please send positive thoughts to my Frannie-on Monday I took a urine sample into the vet's office to be checked for crystals-they called me Tues to let me know that there were no crystals in the urine but there were red blood cells. Since there were no white blood cells the dr does not think she has an infection. He is doing an x-ray tomorrow to rule out stones.

As most of you know Frannie came into HRI last year as a Owner Turn In with a grade three heart murmur and recurring bladder stones-she is on a special dog food and a pill each day to control the crystals.

I just don't want to get the dx of stones-her heart murmur is now a high grade three-low grade four so any surgery will be scary for both of us. I just want it to be something else causing the blood cells to be in the urine-something we can treat with meds.

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I'm hoping for the best for Miss Paige!

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Oh poor Ms Frannie, our thoughts and prayers are with you and lots of licks from Baloo. Keep us posted, I sure hope it is an easy fix, poor little girl

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You and Frannie are in my thoughts and prayers. I also hope this is something a few meds will fix. Please keep us posted and give her a belly rub from me.

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We are sending very positive vibs and thoughts your way. Frannie has gone through enough.

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Sending Karma your way. And healing thoughts to Frannie.

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This is so sad. There are 'good' breeders out there that know they're breeding dogs with heart problems or are carrying the gene for it and somehow don't give a rat's behind about the sorrow they put people and the dog through.
We're sending our very best thoughts to both you and Frannie

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Oh, Pat, I am so sorry to hear of this extra worry.

Do you know what kind of stones that she gets? I spent some time on the yahoo group k9kidneydiet and they dealt alot with crystals and stones.

Generally speaking, struvite stones are from infections and responsive antibiotics must be given, whereas oxalate stones are caused from a hereditary defect in the ability to digest/process oxalate in foods. Many dogs come to this group who have had multiple surgeries and they find that the prescription foods given for this do not work. If it is oxalate, then they have a very special diet that you home prepare that you can follow - it is called FuzzerFood and if you join, you will find that in the files. They also give special supplements ONLY while trying to remove exisiting stones (then go off the supplements when the dog is back to normal), I am not trying to raise your hopes, but if it is an oxalate stone, then you **might** be able to dissolve it with this special diet and not do surgery. The problem is that you have to watch carefully until you know it is dissolved (I suppose occasional monitoring by xrays) and make sure the stone doesn't fall down into a tube and block the opening - then it would be an emergency surgery. I remember cases on their lists where they were able to avoid surgery by following this diet. If this is the situation, then the diet has to be followed for life. I re-state that a number of people tried giving the prescription food, only to have re-occurrences of the stones, but apparently had success on this diet.

I just mention this just in case it is an oxalate stone and if so, you might have other options than surgery. Of course, every case is individualized and would depend perhaps on the size of the stone, it's location, current pain, etc. But, I wanted you to know just in case so you could learn more before talking with the vet, especially considering her heart issues.

BUT, I am hoping all this is a big fat false alarm! Sending my well-wishes.


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My thoughts and prayers are with you and Frannie. I'm so sorry you have to go through this.

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