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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 08-06-2009, 09:43 PM Thread Starter
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A little nervous about Rabies shot

My vet did titers and Nala was low in parvo and rabies (plus she legally needs rabies). She did just fine with her parvo shot a few weeks ago. Next week I am taking her for rabies and a microchip (because of this forum!).

The holistic vet wanted us to wait until she was very strong and healthy. She still has abnormal liver test results. There are so many dogs and wild animals where we live that I will feel better when she is vaccinated.

I have read all of the bad stories regarding rabies reactions on the forum...should I be nervous??

I know she had shots before I got her and she didn't have too bad of a reaction.

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post #2 of 25 (permalink) Old 08-06-2009, 10:27 PM
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Oh....what is wrong with her liver? High ALT? Liver shunt?? Do they know why her liver test is abnormal??? Has she had a rabies shot before (and how long ago?)?
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Sorry I wasn't more clear. She had a rabies shot last July before I got her. She has had several rounds of bloodwork. She has had abnormal ALT and Bile Acid Tests but they have improved with her diet, herbs, medications. The vet thinks that she may have a small liver shunt. The vet doesn't think she needs further imaging, surgery etc.

She appears to be healthy and happy!

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Annie,

That's a really tough situation. I know some people think that titers don't have to show high for the memory cells to respond, but I know personally I would want to see them high. And you mention wild animals in the area, so I understand your concern.

The holistic vet wants you to wait, but the regular vet is the one doing the shots? Or is it the holistic vet giving the shot and she thinks your dog is healthy enough at this point? Does she think a month in-between is enough time?

I have heard of a homeopathic being given before shots (I think it is Thuja?) to help with reactions, but this is likely for general reactions, and not necessarily to help the liver situation. You might want to ask about it anyway and do a search on it (if you find out anything, please let us know).

One other random thought to ask about (again, let us know if you find out anything). Since you did titers just now, and it showed low, and if you go ahead and give a rabies shot, then do another set of titers in a few weeks and it shows a marked increase in the titer response........then, could this be considered as her having accepted the rabies shot and then could this help make future decisions on whether or not to give future rabies shots to her if her liver issues warrant a more conservative approach? I'm not saying this very well....but if the titers go up, then can you assume that antibodies will be formed in her and you can avoid future shots if you need to? (this still doesn't account for be compliant with the law, of course.....but might be useful as a decision making tool in the future with a dog with health issues).

This was suggested to me as a possibility for my dogs with health issues, but I haven't decided yet if I will do this or not. I have not discussed this with a vet yet, so I don't know what they would think if this is reasonable or not.

I wish I had more advice, but it seems like you are already fairly well informed (having done titers already). There is still so much to prove out there (example: if low titers might still be effective).

I can offer you my understanding of the nerve wracking aspect of this decision.
Do you know what brand she will be using? (I don't want to say on the forum, but there is one brand* I won't use -- but if it's the holistic vet giving the shot, then she likely wouldn't use this brand). *just lots of things about this company I don't like in regards to the meds and stuff they send out. If it's the regular vet giving it, especially, you might want to find out about what company makes the shot, and then do some heavy googling to find out whether you trust that company or not. That's the only other thing I can think of at the moment. It's good she didn't have a bad reaction last time.....glad to hear that : )
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django never did well with his shots. we tittered him and he only needs the rabies shot but it takes it's tole on him. we per the vet supervision give him a small dose of aspirin before he goes in, he's gotten fevers in the past and is a bit out of it so this helps take the edge off things

django had been diagnosed with a liver shunt last year due to high bile numbers. the vet did orthroscopic surgery and his liver was fine but it turns out he had addisons. wasn't eating, lethargic, etc.
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I have also heard of people giving benadryl before going in. But you also don't want to mask a reaction if it is a serious one so it is something to talk to the vet about.

But if she hasn't had reactions for shots before, then it should ease your mind and good job spacing shots out. It is interesting that your titers came back low- I have honestly never heard of that. How old is she? Isabelle has had titers done and she will be 7 and not one has came back low. Same with Dora going on 5. My Isabelle had a bad reaction so I always panic with Belle with anything at the vet. She recently had to have some teeth removed and I was a basket case. Belle came home within a few hours and was feisty. So sending hugs to you.

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Hopefully, she will do just fine but be sure you plan to be home and keep a watchful eye one her JIC. I always watch my "kids" very carefully after getting their vaccines because I've heard tales of bad reactions. Marley just got his rabies booster last night.
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Thanks for the understanding and reassurance! We only go to the holistic vet now so I assume it is a good brand. If you could PM me the brand that you don't like ...that would be great.

Nala's previous health record is really unknown so maybe she didn't get puppy shots and that's why her titers were low. I willl talk to the vet about rechecking titers because I don't want to overvaccinate her.

She is getting her shot at 2 30 and I will be with her the rest of the day but I do have to give a presentation the next day and will be gone all day. Do you think I will know if she had a bad reaction by that morning?? I can certainly have people check on her during the day but don't want her to have a bad reaction while I am gone. I would reschedule it but know we won't be able to get back down to the vet for a few weeks. It's an hour and a half away -but well worth it. I think I am getting more worried!

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Taylor and Capote got their shots yesterday; I forgot which ones to wait on and it's such a long drive to go to their vet so I just did them all at once..

Taylor was fine..a lil sleepy though...Capote was sleepy too but he was whiney..I think he was sore at the injection spot because everytime I'd move him around he'd whimper so I just let him sleep for about 5 hours on my chest while I watched tv..lol. It was kind of welcome though because (although drug induced) he's never much of the cuddly type..he'd rather play and lick and wiggle and squirm. Last night he just lay there and let him love and worry over him..

Now that I think of it.....he's such a typical male...lol

Taylor was my lil trooper..she was happy and normal..just sleepy..and capote was milking being under the weather for all it was worth..lol

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Annie, I feel better knowing you are going to the wholistic vet. Sadly, it seems it is just one of those things that has to be done. It's the Law. I will be thinking of Nala over the next few days and hope she does just fine. Let us know.




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