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Here's the Best in Show picture. I tried to edit and add both to the first post, but it wouldn't work.

He's just 10 months old, and still has a lot of his puppy coat. Pam thought she had his hair back off of his eyes, but it was on the way forward when the picture was snapped. The chair was part of the winnings, and the kennel club host for the show wanted it in the picture with him sitting on it.

Anyway, good picture or not, it's one to remember.
Awww, he looks adorable! Like a little lion!!!

One of the things I've heard that I LIKE about UKC show is that they will excuse people from the ring for using ANY product on their dog's coat... And we all know that at AKC shows, regardless of the rules to the contrary, if you DON'T use something to keep the dog's hair back out of their face... you're the only one in the ring NOT using it. And it doesn't get =you any points from the judge! People are freely using hairspray on their dogs RIGHT at ring side, before the dogs go in.

So, at a UKC show, Red probably didn't look much different than all the other puppies his age... except for having such a huge MANE of hair!


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Pam and Red went back to his handling class today. I'm anxious to hear what the others think about his weekend. It's a beginning handling class, but the only one Pam could find in the daytime, and it's a little over an hour away. She had taken Red to the first two classes.

After they started the first class, and did a once around, the teacher saw that Pam knew what she was doing, and she asked Pam why she was there. Pam told her that she had never had a leash on him yet, and thought that he needed to learn the show routine with some other dogs in the ring.

Pam said it was a little funny when the teacher asked everyone what their showing experience was, and the other answers were mostly none. Pam told them what her experience was. I'm sure the others will enjoy hearing about Red's weekend.


She carried the big ribbons with her today to the class. I asked her when she came back from the show if she was going to bother to take Red back to the handling class, and she said she still had a couple of things to work on with him.
That's interesting! Around here, the handling classes are all almost all competent owner/breeder/handlers looking to get their young dogs out and getting ring experience with other dogs. I've been the only "novice" in the classes every time I've gone. But none of them are scheduled classes, either. They are all "drop-ins" where the mix of dogs changes from week to week. It's ben hard for me with Both Pixel and Panda, because, as the smallest dogs in the class, we're always lined up at the end. When we're gating, it doesn't take long for the young, studly Afghan Hound to be lapping my little girls and coming right up on their tails.

Well, Pixel is cut down and spayed now, so she's not going back in the conformation ring, but I've decided that it will be a LONG time before Panda and I need to worry about going in the ring for BIS, and until then, we won't HAVE to worry about big dogs in the ring. So we've got my obedience trainer (who has owner handled ALL her many, many Schipperkes to their championships) to give me, Elinor and Elizabeth "Havanese Handling lessons". Between us, we've got enough dogs that we can change them in and out to have different dogs, and give them an experience much more like a Havanese show ring. Then _I_ don't get nervous about what might happen, and can concentrate more on learning to handle the dog.
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answering CHiChi: There is a lot of confusion over Red. Pam even overheard a couple of people saying you can't breed a red to a red. They must have been thinking it's a dilute, like Chocolate is. There may be some reds that are also dilutes, but reds we know anything about are not dilutes. They have black pigment.

We've never bred anything that didn't have black pigment, and avoided getting dilutes into our lines. Pam understands all the dna code about what is known now about color genes, but I never started trying to understand it.
And Red is a red sable, isn't he? I've never heard ANY problem with pigment in red sables. I HAVE heard that you can have pigment problems breeding clear red to clear red.


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I agree, Red is stunning! I can't wait to see more pictures of him and hear of his continued success in the ring as he gets older. Super impressed Tom; kudos to Pam!

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And Red is a red sable, isn't he? I've never heard ANY problem with pigment in red sables. I HAVE heard that you can have pigment problems breeding clear red to clear red.
Pam knows all those details. I don't even try to keep up with that kind of stuff.
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He is absolutely gorgeous.

Just curious: at what age do Havanese have what's considered their adult coat? I've heard everything from after they're done blowing coat to two to three years. My Lola is 16 months. She never went through what I've read here as a blowing coat stage. She started silvering around 9 months, and still seems to be changing. Her hair also doesn't seem to have the length on top other adult dogs have.

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No hard and fast rules on timing. Havanese coats probably have more variations than any other breed.
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Pam knows all those details. I don't even try to keep up with that kind of stuff.
All our carriers of the genes for red are Sables. The red eared puppy that Nike had once was the only clear red we've had.
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Oh my Red is beautiful and smart to boot!!

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