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The problem right now is that her coat isn't filling out as quickly as those puppies with more undercoat. So her coat looks a little flat in the ring. This is the type of coat I prefer, because in the long run, it is much easier to maintain. But it does take longer to mature. Her sire didn't start showing until 18 months for the same reason. So we need a judge who understands structure and movement AND understands that Havanese puppy coats develop at different rates. Not all judges understand either.
Nino is the same way. I share my breeder's sentiments when she says "I'd much rather have a dog/puppy with great structure and an OK coat than a dog with tons of coat but only decent structure". We are going to put a pause on showing after this weekend until January (or so I say...) to let him blow coat and mature a bit. When adults with their coat type show, it's breathtaking, so I don't mind.

BTW, forgot to add in my first reply: LOVE the loose leash gaiting. Trying to get our boy there, but he associated the loose leash with normal walking and choked up with gaiting.

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Nino is the same way. I share my breeder's sentiments when she says "I'd much rather have a dog/puppy with great structure and an OK coat than a dog with tons of coat but only decent structure". We are going to put a pause on showing after this weekend until January (or so I say...) to let him blow coat and mature a bit. When adults with their coat type show, it's breathtaking, so I don't mind.

BTW, forgot to add in my first reply: LOVE the loose leash gaiting. Trying to get our boy there, but he associated the loose leash with normal walking and choked up with gaiting.
And I doubt very much that she won't have a lovely coat when she's mature. She just looks very different from the "puff-ball" puppies in the ring.

I'm a stickler for a loose leash, so we work on it a lot! Also, her natural gait is so pretty, all I could possibly do by choking up on her is make it worse.

Today didn't go well for either of them. There was so much wind blowing through the barn where Kodi's obedience was that the ring gating blew down. There was so much bird poop and bird seed blowing around on the floor that he just left me in the middle of heeling. He has NQ'd for a lot of things, but never for that!!! Then, on his drop on recall, the mats were so slippery that when he went to drop, his legs splayed and he skidded across the floor sideways! My heart was in my throat, I was so afraid he was going to hurt himself.

Meanwhile, Panda was down at the conformation rings, "looking nervous" according to Geoff. Two friends who were watching said she didn't look happy. So I don't know whether it was the wind (which WAS strong!) or that Geoff was showing her instead of me. She got reserve, but that was it.
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How did they do today?

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Kodi had a terrible day. Whether it was all that went on yesterday, or the fact that the moment we walked into the ring, the ring behind us erupted with applause and cheering I'm not sure. But he was rooted to the spot, and I couldn't get him to move to the beginning of the first exercise. (At our level, you don't have a leash on the dog from the minute you walk in the ring gate) I finally had to pick him up and excuse ourselves, since he had turned to stone.

Panda was very unhappy with the handler again. He and I talked, and we decided that I should show her tomorrow and Sunday and see if she does better for me. If I want him to show her, I may just have to send her to him for a while so that she gets used to him. He's a REALLY nice guy, and very gentle and sweet with her. So it's definitely not his fault. But we both think that the most important hing, at this stage, is for her to have good experiences in the ring. (The only problem being that I didn't' bring any show clothes with me... So I just have to wear my obedience clothes, which are a little more casual. (pants and a blouse or jacket) I did stay after Kodi's class today and walked her ALL over the show grounds and through the tents, around the rings and near other dogs. Her tail was up and happy the whole time. So I'm hoping she'll be happy in the ring tomorrow too. Unfortunately, we have an 8:30 ring time. What were they THINKING putting a breed that requires a lot of grooming that early?!?!


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Kodi had a terrible day. Whether it was all that went on yesterday, or the fact that the moment we walked into the ring, the ring behind us erupted with applause and cheering I'm not sure. But he was rooted to the spot, and I couldn't get him to move to the beginning of the first exercise. (At our level, you don't have a leash on the dog from the minute you walk in the ring gate) I finally had to pick him up and excuse ourselves, since he had turned to stone.
Poor guy Just not his weekend, huh? Was the applause from an obedience ring? At every show I've been to, they have been super strict about what's allowed in the obedience areas. Signs posted everywhere that no dogs are allowed past a certain point and volume must be at a low level. Nonetheless, I'm sorry he had such a rough go of it this weekend. Do you plan on competing the next couple days?

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Unfortunately, we have an 8:30 ring time. What were they THINKING putting a breed that requires a lot of grooming that early?!?!
I shared those sentiments at first, but after some looking around and asking questions, I've learned that Havs are one of the easiest breeds in terms of day-of grooming and are more of a maintenance breed. Most others need trimming, shaving, shaping, etc. My family has shown Beagles in the past, and even they require a lot more grooming on show day than Nino ever has (bath and blow dry on day 1, then a quick fluff up ringside). Most in the breed roll up to the show 30 minutes ahead, and very few take reserved grooming (might just be a Midwest thing though LOL) All of our ring times have been at the start of the show as well, so we had lots of 4:30 wake ups to get baths and driving in, but we were granted a reprieve this weekend: 10:20 and 12:20 after 20 dogs

Best of luck tomorrow, and I hope you get Panda's handler situation sorted. Can't be fun for either of you!

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Karen, sounds like a grueling couple of days for you. I hope you all (you, Panda, and Kodi,) all have a better time of it for whatever is still to come. That is pretty odd for Kodi, isn't it? Hope he's not coming down with something, and that he was just off his mark. We all have those kind of times-but so strange for him, isn't it?

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Sophie, you and Nino are showing as well this week? Hope it is going well for you!
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Sophie, you and Nino are showing as well this week? Hope it is going well for you!
We show tomorrow and Sunday, which I have decided will be our last time out until January. I have barely had him at the end of his show lead in the past 3 weeks, so I don't have high expectations, but he's been known to do a lot with a little. Will post updates!
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Poor guy Just not his weekend, huh? Was the applause from an obedience ring? At every show I've been to, they have been super strict about what's allowed in the obedience areas. Signs posted everywhere that no dogs are allowed past a certain point and volume must be at a low level. Nonetheless, I'm sorry he had such a rough go of it this weekend. Do you plan on competing the next couple days?



I shared those sentiments at first, but after some looking around and asking questions, I've learned that Havs are one of the easiest breeds in terms of day-of grooming and are more of a maintenance breed. Most others need trimming, shaving, shaping, etc. My family has shown Beagles in the past, and even they require a lot more grooming on show day than Nino ever has (bath and blow dry on day 1, then a quick fluff up ringside). Most in the breed roll up to the show 30 minutes ahead, and very few take reserved grooming (might just be a Midwest thing though LOL) All of our ring times have been at the start of the show as well, so we had lots of 4:30 wake ups to get baths and driving in, but we were granted a reprieve this weekend: 10:20 and 12:20 after 20 dogs

Best of luck tomorrow, and I hope you get Panda's handler situation sorted. Can't be fun for either of you!
The ring with all the clapping and cheering was the rally ring, which adjoins the obedience ring here. Just one more distraction to add to the wind, smells and slippery, hard footing. He was only entered yesterday and today. I don't like doing more than 2 days in a cluster with him... I think it's too much for him. Even if he WERE entered, I'd have thought long and hard about bringing him back tomorrow.

I agree that few Havanese people around here do a ton of grooming IN the show grooming area, but that doesn't mean that a lot of grooming doesn't get done... Either at home or in the RV (or hotel room) before going to the ring.

We'll see... It would be helpful to have someone else who could show her when I'm busy with Kodi. But if she needs me to show her, I'll just have to alternate between them and not show them on the same days.


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