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Karen, sounds like a grueling couple of days for you. I hope you all (you, Panda, and Kodi,) all have a better time of it for whatever is still to come. That is pretty odd for Kodi, isn't it? Hope he's not coming down with something, and that he was just off his mark. We all have those kind of times-but so strange for him, isn't it?

Good luck with Panda! You are so good with all of your dogs, making sure their days are good and they are doing what they like.
Although it's not common, he has shut down at times before... Always in very challenging situations. In fairness, he was not the only dog who left the ring without finishing his run in the last couple of days, some with a lot more experience than he has (dogs working on their UDX or OTCH) and the Q rate for the whole trial has been very low. I really don't think he's sick... He seems to feel just fine other than when he was in the ring. He even warmed up well outside the ring. He's done for the weekend, and he will go for a long walk with Dave and Pixel in the morning while Panda and I are at the show. In the afternoon, we'll find something fun for everyone to do.
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The ring with all the clapping and cheering was the rally ring, which adjoins the obedience ring here. Just one more distraction to add to the wind, smells and slippery, hard footing. He was only entered yesterday and today. I don't like doing more than 2 days in a cluster with him... I think it's too much for him. Even if he WERE entered, I'd have thought long and hard about bringing him back tomorrow.

I agree that few Havanese people around here do a ton of grooming IN the show grooming area, but that doesn't mean that a lot of grooming doesn't get done... Either at home or in the RV (or hotel room) before going to the ring.

We'll see... It would be helpful to have someone else who could show her when I'm busy with Kodi. But if she needs me to show her, I'll just have to alternate between them and not show them on the same days.
Is cheering a common occurrence though, in either sport? You would think that, in one that requires such concentration from both dog and handler, there would be a bit more courtesy, even if rally is a bit more laid back than obedience.

I didn't elaborate enough; those who I've found myself spending time with usually dedicate about 2 hours to brush out and bath pre-arrival, and that's it until ringside. It can feel like a lot (especially at 4:30 am), but in comparison to a larger breed that requires the bath and brush along with scissoring/shaping the day of, it is not much (unless their is ironing, teasing, etc being done...that's a different issue). That all being said, we have one of the most grooming intensive breeds when it comes to maintenance grooming, so the little relief we get (or at least I do) is well deserved. I'm also the crazy person who wants a TT and a Beardie, so maybe I've just been desensitized to that kind of grooming :P

Totally understand that. Ring conflicts are difficult as is (my handling services were offered up by our breeder for Neezers AND Goldens this weekend due to conflicts within a breed), but adding in the fact that the obedience handling has to be done by you makes it all the more tricky. Do you have a friend who shows in another breed that Panda knows and feels comfortable with? Nino is ridiculously attached to me, but I know of 3 people I could confidently hand him off to if ever necessary. Just an idea that may make a happy medium. I don't know about you, but sending mine off to live with a handler, especially as a non-special, would break my heart (but I'm a big softy when it comes to my boys )

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No love for us today. Judge was a coat guy and put pouffy dogs up, so Nino just wasn't his type. Every dog with a handler was put up over those without (not one didn't win its class, no matter the quality), so this judge might go on the DNS list. I left Nino's Resco kindness lead at home (if it were a smooth day, it wouldn't be a show day), so he was thrown on a slip lead, which he did NOT like. It was a fun day though; a lot more of the general public came in, and Nino was fawned over, much to his delight. We are for sure done with AKC shows until January, but I plan on entering him at least one day of an IABCA show in November to get some nice feedback. We have tomorrow, and then it's 4 months of relaxation and maturing (with a CGC title thrown in, hopefully).
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Is cheering a common occurrence though, in either sport? You would think that, in one that requires such concentration from both dog and handler, there would be a bit more courtesy, even if rally is a bit more laid back than obedience.

Yes, it's not uncommon for people to clap and cheer when awards are given. In fact, it's kind of poor sportsmanship NOT to applaud. Even getting a Q at levels beyond novice is hard, and takes an ENORMOUS amount of time, training and commitment. It was jus bad timing, in an already difficult environment. Today, there were only 2 obedience Q's in the whole trial. I was SO glad that taking Kodi back wasn't even an option. (Since he wasn't entered

Totally understand that. Ring conflicts are difficult as is (my handling services were offered up by our breeder for Neezers AND Goldens this weekend due to conflicts within a breed), but adding in the fact that the obedience handling has to be done by you makes it all the more tricky. Do you have a friend who shows in another breed that Panda knows and feels comfortable with? Nino is ridiculously attached to me, but I know of 3 people I could confidently hand him off to if ever necessary. Just an idea that may make a happy medium. I don't know about you, but sending mine off to live with a handler, especially as a non-special, would break my heart (but I'm a big softy when it comes to my boys )

I don't think that's really a happy medium, even if I had someone I could do that with. All my dog show friends are Havanese people, and they already have their own dogs to worry about. I am quite sure she would have been as unhappy with any of them as she was with Geoff. Once she gets more used to him, he will be a MUCH more reliable source of help than a friend who might or might not be planning to go, that Panda might or might not be happy going in the ring with. It was interesting, today, when I was waiting outside the ring (under the tent) to shoe, Geoff walked in, and before he saw her, she saw him, and started wagging and smiling. I think she's really close to feeling comfortable with him. I have no intention of ever sending her off to "live" with him... But that's different than her traveling to a multi-day show in another state here and there... Especially when we need to pick up those majors.

Btw, she showed beautifully today for me... Geoff said she looked great! She went Best of Opposite today! I'll upload video to YouTube later.

I also got to help a friend show her English Toy Spaniels, which was pretty funny. THAT girl wanted no part of ME either! My friend didn't care that much, though. All the ETS's were hers, and she knew ahead of time which one was likely to win, and she was on him.
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No love for us today. Judge was a coat guy and put pouffy dogs up, so Nino just wasn't his type. Every dog with a handler was put up over those without (not one didn't win its class, no matter the quality), so this judge might go on the DNS list. I left Nino's Resco kindness lead at home (if it were a smooth day, it wouldn't be a show day), so he was thrown on a slip lead, which he did NOT like. It was a fun day though; a lot more of the general public came in, and Nino was fawned over, much to his delight. We are for sure done with AKC shows until January, but I plan on entering him at least one day of an IABCA show in November to get some nice feedback. We have tomorrow, and then it's 4 months of relaxation and maturing (with a CGC title thrown in, hopefully).
You would have liked our judge today, then! In the best of breed class, every one of the dogs she picked was owner handled.
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Glad you had a better day today! Can't wait to see the video How many points is she at now?

Nino was so off today, the poor guy. On the way there, we stopped for a potty break on a very pristine patch of grass, and he managed to find a bur to step on, pokers right into the pad, so he was a bit gimpy. The lead we borrowed was a super touchy slip, so every move one way or another (for either of us) tightened it. I loosened his lead to stop this, something we have only worked on at home, and he saw it as an opportunity to dance around like a wild man

What was the name? Love me a judge that doesn't care who's handling (and one who understands that puppy coats develop differently, good lord). A friend in the breed recently got a t-shirt that says "Just judge THE DOG"...yep.

Forgot to mention: I did end up showing WB in BOB because the handler had a special. Fun getting to work with a different dog, and I'm sure glad my services weren't needed with a Golden. Whole different ballgame, going from a table breed to a sporting breed HAH
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Glad you had a better day today! Can't wait to see the video How many points is she at now?

Nino was so off today, the poor guy. On the way there, we stopped for a potty break on a very pristine patch of grass, and he managed to find a bur to step on, pokers right into the pad, so he was a bit gimpy. The lead we borrowed was a super touchy slip, so every move one way or another (for either of us) tightened it. I loosened his lead to stop this, something we have only worked on at home, and he saw it as an opportunity to dance around like a wild man

What was the name? Love me a judge that doesn't care who's handling (and one who understands that puppy coats develop differently, good lord). A friend in the breed recently got a t-shirt that says "Just judge THE DOG"...yep.
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The gal who videoed for me took lots of little clips rather than one whole video, but here she is in the Best of Breed competition:

https://youtu.be/YTv_6LSWLzs

Sorry for the butt shots in the beginning! It was pretty warm, and we were told to stay under the tent until we were asked to gait.
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Here's Miss Panda waiting for her class. (Photos loaded one at a time because I'm on my iPad.
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Waiting for Big Brother in the Obedience barn after her class.
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