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Ricky was a Conformation show dog before we acquired him. We were given several of his ribbons to prove it. It is my understanding that he was a Conformation place winner at the Havanese Specialty in 2014 in Portland, OR. Ricky's former owner kept him and her other show dogs in a crate about 8 hours a day while she worked full time, to keep their coats looking nice. Ricky was not happy as a show dog and he physically showed that in the ring and his owner sold him to us, a cast off.

Ricky loves to play with humans and dogs of all sizes, the rougher the play the more fun for him. Momi wants Ricky to look a certain way and we have the groomer cut him that way - little if any beard, no hair over the eyes, no hair clips, a teddy bear face, teddy bear paws, but otherwise long, natural hair over the rest of his body. To the untrained, he is eye catching, but hardly a show coat. Tufts of hair missing here and there are no longer of importance to us. And Ricky usually has a lipstick smudge on the top of his white head where Momi kisses him several times a day!

Play is what Ricky is all about. He is an extrovert. We have found an alternative to Conformation that fits Ricky's need to play and our desire to "show" him. Obedience competitions fit the bill. Ricky thinks of Obedience is one big game with his Popi. Ricky loves to show off with tricks and the obedience commands are nothing more than a trick to Ricky. Besides Obedience, we are now in training for Nosework competition. Ricky has shown a remarkable aptitude for nosework.

We let Ricky be the dog he most enjoys being. His happiness is what is most important to us. We want his coat to look nice but it is not a show coat. We have found a happy alternative for our family - rough and tumble play and still competitive. My advice to Pam is let your dogs play as much as they want and show them in Conformation "as is." Do that as long as it is fun for both you and your dogs. Of most importance is to do things that are fun with your dog rather than merely winning a competition. Look at it from the dog's point of view, having fun in life is more important to him than a ribbon hanging on the wall.

Pam, the way you describe your dogs, Ricky and they would get along famously, play until exhaustion. He loves to be pulled around by his tail and loves to pull other dogs around by their ears!

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Back when Pam used to show all our dogs to their championship before breeding, we had several who didn't get past the first few shows because of parts of their coats being chewed off. We'll never have one, or send one to a home, that spends even the show part of their lives living in a crate in a truck.
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Back when Pam used to show all our dogs to their championship before breeding, we had several who didn't get past the first few shows because of parts of their coats being chewed off. We'll never have one, or send one to a home, that spends even the show part of their lives living in a crate in a truck.
I love the fact that you once posted something like, "We get a kick out of the occasional "Best of Breed", but we're much more interested in producing dogs who are "Best in Home"" Can't remember your exact wording, but it was something like that.

...And, if I remember correctly, I think Razzle finished her championship only about 6 weeks after Kodi's litter went to their forever homes, so a dog CAN have a very normal life (even have puppies) and still be successfully shown.


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Ricky was a Conformation show dog before we acquired him. We were given several of his ribbons to prove it. It is my understanding that he was a Conformation place winner at the Havanese Specialty in 2014 in Portland, OR. Ricky's former owner kept him and her other show dogs in a crate about 8 hours a day while she worked full time, to keep their coats looking nice. Ricky was not happy as a show dog and he physically showed that in the ring and his owner sold him to us, a cast off.

Ricky loves to play with humans and dogs of all sizes, the rougher the play the more fun for him. Momi wants Ricky to look a certain way and we have the groomer cut him that way - little if any beard, no hair over the eyes, no hair clips, a teddy bear face, teddy bear paws, but otherwise long, natural hair over the rest of his body. To the untrained, he is eye catching, but hardly a show coat. Tufts of hair missing here and there are no longer of importance to us. And Ricky usually has a lipstick smudge on the top of his white head where Momi kisses him several times a day!

Play is what Ricky is all about. He is an extrovert. We have found an alternative to Conformation that fits Ricky's need to play and our desire to "show" him. Obedience competitions fit the bill. Ricky thinks of Obedience is one big game with his Popi. Ricky loves to show off with tricks and the obedience commands are nothing more than a trick to Ricky. Besides Obedience, we are now in training for Nosework competition. Ricky has shown a remarkable aptitude for nosework.

We let Ricky be the dog he most enjoys being. His happiness is what is most important to us. We want his coat to look nice but it is not a show coat. We have found a happy alternative for our family - rough and tumble play and still competitive. My advice to Pam is let your dogs play as much as they want and show them in Conformation "as is." Do that as long as it is fun for both you and your dogs. Of most importance is to do things that are fun with your dog rather than merely winning a competition. Look at it from the dog's point of view, having fun in life is more important to him than a ribbon hanging on the wall.

Pam, the way you describe your dogs, Ricky and they would get along famously, play until exhaustion. He loves to be pulled around by his tail and loves to pull other dogs around by their ears!

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Wow, Popi. I didn't know Ricky's story. I can't imagine a dog as exuberant and fun-loving as Ricky being crated for 8 hours a day. Heartbreaking. So glad you found each other.
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Wow, Popi. I didn't know Ricky's story.
Mom, there is more to the story, but better not to dwell in the past. What is important is that the three of us found each other in life and we make each other better because of it. You see, Ricky is a rescue dog, but not in the traditional sense. What happened is that Ricky rescued US!

I know there are some Havanese who would enjoy working in Conformation. And that is great as long as they continue to enjoy it. Although Ricky may have had potential in the Conformation ring, he was just too high energy to enjoy it, showed his unhappiness physically in the ring, and it was time to move on.

Now we work on his Obedience skills in the ring, where he is an enthusiastic performer, as a stepping stone to the Agility ring. And being the courageous daredevil he is, I know he will have fun in that venue too.

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Mom, there is more to the story, but better not to dwell in the past. What is important is that the three of us found each other in life and we make each other better because of it. You see, Ricky is a rescue dog, but not in the traditional sense. What happened is that Ricky rescued US!

I know there are some Havanese who would enjoy working in Conformation. And that is great as long as they continue to enjoy it. Although Ricky may have had potential in the Conformation ring, he was just too high energy to enjoy it, showed his unhappiness physically in the ring, and it was time to move on.

Now we work on his Obedience skills in the ring, where he is an enthusiastic performer, as a stepping stone to the Agility ring. And being the courageous daredevil he is, I know he will have fun in that venue too.

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Actually, Popi, there are LOTS of dogs who LVOE the conformation ring, and as long as they aren't shy, most can learn to love it, just like any other type of competition. But I don't think ANY dog loves a life living in a crate with an occasional trip to an ex-pen to potty. When I got Panda, the agreement with her breeder was that I would show her or allow her breeder to show her. I made it VERY clear that she could ONLY be shown by a professional handler if it was a matter of dropping her off ring-side, or at most having her spend a weekend with the pro. Panda has since voted with her feet, and even the pro has said she shows better for me (who hasn't got a CLUE what I'm doing in the conformation ring!) than she does for him. He gave her back to me in the middle of the Cape Cod shows and said, "She's GOT to be happy in the ring... This isn't good for her!". THAT'S the kind of pro I like!
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Just wanted to share here. Since I initially replied to this thread, I have been working diligently to get Nino back in coat. He will never live a sedentary, indoor life (just yesterday we went on a pack hike through muddy trails, and he shows in a week), so I do whatever I can to keep his coat strong so he can maintain that lifestyle.

I spoke with a professional handler friend of mine to get some tips. She shows Aussies mostly, but has shown a Hav before. The majority of Nino's baths are now cool, and if I do use warm water, I always finish with a cold rinse. He is completely blown out after, not a bit if moisture left in his coat. Conditioner only ever other bath, and no conditioner the couple weeks leading up to a show (his hair is flat, so I don't need anything weighing it down). To combat static, I have steam machines going in the two rooms he spends most of his time in, and if I notice him getting staticky, I give him a quick mist with his conditioning spray and massage it in. For his "bad spots" (mostly breakage from play), I massage undiluted conditioner in a couple days before his bath. He gets fish oil and a robotic every day, and a full brush or comb out every day (the less the dead undercoat tangles with the rest of the coat, the less hair he loses).

Not sure which things have worked and which haven't, but his coat has definitely improved in strength, softness, and abundance since this became my routine.
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