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It means that he has qualified in level 2 43 times and in level 3 (which is the highest level) 33 times.
Felicidades Karen and Kodi , well mostly Kodi right?, he does all the work!

I'm still completely confused, which makes it a normal day for me. Does this mean you have competed in 43 trials at level 2 and 33 trials in level 3? If Kodi has been competing for 6 years, that means 13 trials a year just in Rally division! Why compete so many times at each level? Is that what is required to earn a Championship? Aren't you required to move up to the next level after so many Q's at that level (like in BN)? I don't understand the designations in your sig line. For example, what does ARCHMX or CDX-CCH or RL3x3 mean? Where can I find a listing of these acronyms? This competition progression thing seems complicated to me. I need a flow chart to understand how it works.

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I just found this list of AKC titles: http://www.akc.org/events/titles/
This explains and answers some of my questions.

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Felicidades Karen and Kodi , well mostly Kodi right?, he does all the work!

I'm still completely confused, which makes it a normal day for me. Does this mean you have competed in 43 trials at level 2 and 33 trials in level 3? If Kodi has been competing for 6 years, that means 13 trials a year just in Rally division!
Well, there is a fair amount of overlap... Once he had his level 2 title, he compete in both level 2 and level 3 in the same trials. Before that, he competed in Level 1 and level 2, as soon as he was ready to work off leash (level 2) Some people finish each level championship (10 Q's) before moving up, but he didn't need to stay in level 2 after he'd finished the level title, so we moved right up. Also, some people can never move beyond a certain level because their dog isn't capable of more advanced work, or beyond level championships, because for the higher titles, the minimum score goes up also. (For the higher titles, every score has to be 195 or higher, instead of 170) In WCR, there are almost always 2 trials in the same day, and 4 trials in a weekend. We never did more than 3 trials in a weekend, and since he has been working on his highest level titles, which require 3Q's in the same trial, we have never done more than two trials in a weekend... and only one trial each day. (so 6 classes over the course of the weekend) Some dogs have the stamina for more than that, but he doesn't. So that really comes out closer to 6 weekends a year... And for the last year and a half, we've only done 3 weekends in that entire time.

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Why compete so many times at each level? Is that what is required to earn a Championship? Aren't you required to move up to the next level after so many Q's at that level (like in BN)? I don't understand the designations in your sig line. For example, what does ARCHMX or CDX-CCH or RL3x3 mean?
ARCHMX is WCRL Master Champion, CDX-CCh is CDSP Open Champion, and RL3X3, is WCRL Rally Level 3 Champion x 3.

In AKC, whether it is formal obedience or rally, you MUST move up after obtaining your title at Novice level. (or Beginner Novice or Preferred Novice in Obedience) But once you are at Rally Advanced or Open level in Obedience, you can keep competing in that class for as long as you want, though you move from the "A" classes to the "B" classes once you earn your title. The highest title in AKC Rally is an RAE, which requires you to qualify in both Rally Advanced and Excellent in the same trial, 10 times. Some people keep doing it several times with the same dog, and end up with an RAE3 or 4. Honestly, I found AKC Rally to be boring after a while, and I think Kodi did too. We got our Rally Excellent title and are half way to our RAE title, but have only competed in AKC Rally at the specialty in several years. Not at home.

In AKC Obedience, after you move up to Open, you can stay there forever, or until you are ready to compete at Utility level. Once you have your Utility title (or Preferred Utility) all the high level titles are based on points, Q's and/or the number of dogs beaten from these two classes. The first of these is the UDX, which requires you to qualify in both Open and Utility in the same trial, 10 times.

In WCRL, besides the level titles and level championships, there is the ARCH, ARCHX, ARCHEX, and ARCHMX, which is the highest title in the sport. There is nothing similar in AKC, because level 3 in WCRL is considerably harder than AKC Excellent. Kodi is the only Havanese to have achieved this title. (so far )

In CDSP, which is another formal obedience venue, there are the same levels as in AKC, (though they call their lowest level "Starter Novice" rather than "Beginner Novice") but you can stay in any level except Starter Novice for as long as you want. You just move out of the "A" classes, which are only for people who have not won titles in formal obedience before, or "B" classes, which are for those who HAVE competed in other venues, but whose dog has not attained that title yet in CDSP, and into the "C" classes, which are specifically for those working on champion titles at each level. To differentiate between the two venues, CDSP titles have a "-C" suffix. So, for instance, an AKC Novice title is a CD, a CDSP Novice title is a CD-C, and a CDSP Novice Champion title is a CD-CCh. Kodi has his CDSP Open Championship, which is CDX-CCh. He is not really ready for Utility level, so when we compete in CDSP, he continues to compete in Open. He has not completed his AKC Open title yet, but I hope he does this spring. I suspect he will continue in AKC Open for a while longer too, or do the "optional title" of Graduate Open while we firm up our skills for Utility.

Both the UKC and ASCA have their own title designations for both Rally and Obedience (and Agility too, for that matter) but I don't compete in those, so am not sure what they are. There are a couple of other Rally organizations too, but I can't remember their names, and we don't have those trials in this part of the country.

There are also several different Agility organizations. AKC and USDAA are the biggest, but both NADAC and CPE have a big following too, and there is also TDAA, which is specifically geared toward toy dogs. Kodi has his Novice Agility and Novice Jumpers titles (NA and NAJ) and two legs toward his Open titles (OA and OAJ) But I've retired him from agility. He also competed in NADAC a little bit, but that venue was developed specifically for very fast dogs, with fast, open courses, and although he ran clear there, he couldn't make the time limits. While there ARE some small dogs who do NADAC, it is mostly dominated by Border Collies, Aussies and other high drive, larger breeds.

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Where can I find a listing of these acronyms? This competition progression thing seems complicated to me. I need a flow chart to understand how it works.
Here are ALL the AKC acronyms. This includes conformation, herding, lure coursing, barn hunt and field as well as obedience, rally and agility: Titles and Abbreviations - American Kennel Club

Here is the WCRL site, where you can find all the titles for that venue: https://www.rallydogs.com

Here is the CDSP website, where you can learn about their titles: CDSP Home Page

As to why do I keep competing in WCRL? Because it's fun and challenging for both of us! (which is why people keep competing in Agility too! ) Every course is a challenge to remember where you are going It's easy for the HUMAN to NQ in Rally, and I've done it... I came off and absolutely FANTASTIC course, where we were TOTALLY in sync, and I was SURE we'd have a perfect score... and NO ONE clapped. I was so happy congratulating Kodi, that I didn't notice much, but then, as the judge handed me back my leash, I saw the stricken look on her face. "That was GORGEOUS," she said, "But you missed the next to last sign!"

I also find that doing an occasional WCRL trial keeps Kodi happy and playful, without the tension that sometimes creeps in in formal obedience trials. So I try to do a WCRL trial in between obedience trials. We don't do them that often now, and OBVIOUSLY, I'm not tracking our Q's well But when we go, we have un. To keep us challenged, I have my own personal goal to get scores as close to a perfect 210 as possible. And since we finished our ARCHMX, I don't think we've had any scores below 200, and and we've had our fair share of 210's. The other thing I LOVE about both WCRL and CDSP is the people. It's people who are not out there to win at any cost, and you NEVER see the rough treatment you sometimes encounter at AKC trials. Not to stay that everyone behaves that way, but there are some. It is absolutely NOT tolerated, in OR out of the ring, so people who feel that they need to do that stuff to win just don't come. The strongest competitors in both WCRL and CDSP ALSO compete in AKC, (and do well there) so quality is still high.

I'll stop competing with Kodi when he tells me he's had enough. (which is why we stopped doing agility... it was pretty clear that he was doing the for me, not because he enjoyed it. He loved class, but he just found the trials too stressful. But when he's still bouncing into the ring, and doing his flying finishes, I know he's still having a good time playing with me. And when he's on, it feels like dancing!
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I just found this list of AKC titles: Titles and Abbreviations - American Kennel Club
This explains and answers some of my questions.

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Well, there is a fair amount of overlap...
AH-HA, I get it now,
1. you are competing in two different organizations, AKC and WCR.
2. once you reach a certain level you are not required to move up to the next level
3. I, the handler, don't have the stamina to compete in 4 or 6 or 8 trials in a weekend, 2 is my max.
4. Titles are fine, but having fun is more important

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AH-HA, I get it now,
1. you are competing in two different organizations, AKC and WCR.
2. once you reach a certain level you are not required to move up to the next level
3. I, the handler, don't have the stamina to compete in 4 or 6 or 8 trials in a weekend, 2 is my max.
4. Titles are fine, but having fun is more important

Thanks Karen for all the time you put into the answers.

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1. I actually compete in 3... AKC, WCRL and CDSP. I only do Rally in WCRL at the moment, though I wouldn't rule out finishing his RAE in AKC at some point. I do obedience in the other two.
2. Yes. AND, you can still compete in the lower level and a higher level too. In fact, for many titles, you HAVE to compete in more than one level.
3. Yup. That's completely a decision that you and your dog have to make together. Whatever works for BOTH of you!!!
4. YES!!! FUN is what it's all about, as far as I'm concerned. There are lots of different things to do with a dog, and if the handler AND the dog aren't having fun, move on! I forgot one BIG one that has taken off like wild fire all over the country, because dogs, in general, LOVE it... That's nose work. I'm kind of holding off on that as a "retirement sport" for Kodi, because there are virtually no physical demands other than using their nose!
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