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We have been going back and forth on if we should vaccinate Gucci with the Leptospirosis vaccine. The vet says its important or she can't go into a pool or drink from a puddle and our breeder says its not safe for the Havenese breed. We live at a ravine and are worried at all the animals pee and saliva she could come in contact with.

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We have been going back and forth on if we should vaccinate Gucci with the Leptospirosis vaccine. The vet says its important or she can't go into a pool or drink from a puddle and our breeder says its not safe for the Havenese breed. We live at a ravine and are worried at all the animals pee and saliva she could come in contact with.

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I would not risk it. The vet scared me into it and my dog had some reactions. In addition, it only lasts for 6 months and there are many strains of it so you donít even know you are covered. We live in a heavily wooded area with all sorts of varmints. Just monitor your dog and build up its immune system to protect him. This is one of my major regrets with Mia...that I gave it to her. Wish I could take it back.
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I think itís generally discouraged for Havanese. However, we made the unpopular decision to do it because DS is immune suppressed and has a history of rare complications. We chose not to renew it at 1yr since we felt like we could better manage prevention once our puppy was a little more mature.
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The problem is that the vaccine only addresses a few of the many strains, so if you think it's OK to let your dog drink from puddles because they have had the vaccine, you are fooling yourself. A chlorinated pool shouldn't be an issue.

Lepto can be treated (and cured) with antibiotics if caught early. If your dog is sick, don't wait around, go to the vet. It's the people who THINK their dog "couldn't possibly have Lepto, because they had the vaccine" that end up with a dead dog. JMHO.
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The problem is that the vaccine only addresses a few of the many strains, so if you think it's OK to let your dog drink from puddles because they have had the vaccine, you are fooling yourself.
Maybe I just donít hear about lepto infections, but it seems like the precautions to avoid lepto are the same as the precautions to avoid giardia, and giardia is really common (at least in my region) and a huge pain to treat. Our puppy had his first bout really soon after we brought him home, and our vet warned us that young puppies in our area that contract it often have repeated infections until their immune systems are more developed. We were vigilant about cleaning and taking care to avoid reinfection and we still had to treat multiple times.
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Maybe I just donít hear about lepto infections, but it seems like the precautions to avoid lepto are the same as the precautions to avoid giardia, and giardia is really common (at least in my region) and a huge pain to treat. Our puppy had his first bout really soon after we brought him home, and our vet warned us that young puppies in our area that contract it often have repeated infections until their immune systems are more developed. We were vigilant about cleaning and taking care to avoid reinfection and we still had to treat multiple times.
The difference is that giardia is MUCH less likely to kill your dog. Lepto will, if not treated promptly. With or without vaccination.


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Maybe I just donít hear about lepto infections, but it seems like the precautions to avoid lepto are the same as the precautions to avoid giardia, and giardia is really common (at least in my region) and a huge pain to treat. Our puppy had his first bout really soon after we brought him home, and our vet warned us that young puppies in our area that contract it often have repeated infections until their immune systems are more developed. We were vigilant about cleaning and taking care to avoid reinfection and we still had to treat multiple times.
At the time I had Mia vaccinated for Lepto (9 years ago), there was all sorts of stuff in our local news about dogs dying from Lepto, even city dogs. That along with the vet advising it pushed me over the edge to give it. I think we all try to make the best decisions for our dogs given the information we have at the time and donít need to be beating ourselves up with regrets. Often the information available changes over time and even the experts disagree. Since then I learned a lot more and have chosen to not vaccinate either of my dogs ever again, for anything. They both had rabies vaccines reactions also. However, everyone needs to make their own decision.
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We have been going back and forth on if we should vaccinate Gucci with the Leptospirosis vaccine. The vet says it's important or she can't go into a pool or drink from a puddle and our breeder says it's not safe for the Havanese breed. We live at a ravine and are worried at all the animals' pee and saliva she could come in contact with.

Can anyone please give me some feedback
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We got Smokey his lepto booster last week. We live in a suburb that's attached to a big city on one side and a rural area on another and I want him to have as much protection as possible. He had no side effects from the vaccine(s). I think of it this way: My kids are vaccinated. (However, I did not know that Havanese can have side effects, or it would have weighed into my decision.)

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We got Smokey his lepto booster last week. We live in a suburb that's attached to a big city on one side and a rural area on another and I want him to have as much protection as possible. He had no side effects from the vaccine(s). I think of it this way: My kids are vaccinated. (However, I did not know that Havanese can have side effects, or it would have weighed into my decision.)
All vaccines have risks and potential side effects and over vaccination can cause all sorts of issues. This is a very controversial subject and I would encourage you to do research on vaccinosis in dogs so you can make your own decision. The Lepto vaccine is one of the most controversial because there are many strains of it, so even if you take a risk and give it to your dog, the particular strain your dog gets infected with may not be covered by the vaccine. Therefore, the dog has potential for lots of bad to happen with no quarantee of anything good. In addition, it is not very long lasting.
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All vaccines have risks and potential side effects and over vaccination can cause all sorts of issues. This is a very controversial subject and I would encourage you to do research on vaccinosis in dogs so you can make your own decision. The Lepto vaccine is one of the most controversial because there are many strains of it, so even if you take a risk and give it to your dog, the particular strain your dog gets infected with may not be covered by the vaccine. Therefore, the dog has potential for lots of bad to happen with no quarantee of anything good. In addition, it is not very long lasting.
I will definitely do my research before our next vet visit.

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