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One of the problems though with the debate is that it totally leaves out childcare centers from the discussion/ consideration. If people have to go back to work, and if the states say that childcare has to open (and since many centers are at least partially supported by state programs like the food program and subsidized care for low income families - and need the income to pay their staff/ rent/ etc), then where do you think the school age kids are when school isn't open - like now?

My sister and her business partner have 2 centers - and they have a range of kids for babies to 11-12 year olds. No school still means they have to open but now they have those kids for longer hours. During school - if they open fully or partially - they'll still have those kids - but now they'll have to deal with the potential of the kids bringing the virus to the center from the schools.

I just wish more people would add the issue of child care to the debate about schools instead of just assuming it will mean that parents will stay home - many can't - and unless the states close down child care again, it won't happen.
There is no doubt that it is complicated. I kind of liked what AZ decided to do in THAT regard. They left it up to the districts to decide whether they were ready to open GENERALLY, based on the metrics, but said each district had to have at least ONE BUILDING open, with enough space and staff to handle those children who had nowhere else to go. THAT sounds like it might be do-able if handled correctly, if we are not in a condition to need total shut-down.
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One of the problems though with the debate is that it totally leaves out childcare centers from the discussion/ consideration. If people have to go back to work, and if the states say that childcare has to open (and since many centers are at least partially supported by state programs like the food program and subsidized care for low income families - and need the income to pay their staff/ rent/ etc), then where do you think the school age kids are when school isn't open - like now?

My sister and her business partner have 2 centers - and they have a range of kids for babies to 11-12 year olds. No school still means they have to open but now they have those kids for longer hours. During school - if they open fully or partially - they'll still have those kids - but now they'll have to deal with the potential of the kids bringing the virus to the center from the schools.

I just wish more people would add the issue of child care to the debate about schools instead of just assuming it will mean that parents will stay home - many can't - and unless the states close down child care again, it won't happen.
I both agree and disagree with your post because it is a much more complex issue than stated. What happens to those childcare people when they get C-19 transmitted by those children? The Childcare Center has to shut down and there goes that venue for childcare.

Some epidemiologists have stated that if the U.S. just shuts EVERYTHING down and EVERYONE stays home for 4 weeks, we would be well on our way to putting this pandemic behind us. I don't know if that is true, but i do know if we open schools and childcare centers up right now, things are going to get much worse.
Congress is expected to pass some extension of unemployment benefits as well as additional payments to everyone, so they can stay home and care for their children. That will be, "any day now." My daughter works for the State of California and she has to go into her empty office building because she is an essential employee. But her support staff have all been sent home at full pay for almost 6 months now. Doesn't even count toward their vacation accrual. They have been told to provide care for their family and homeschooling where necessary. This is a complete mess through lack of leadership at the White House.

I don't have the answers, but i am in favor of keeping schools and daycare centers closed at this time, which I think is a real shame this has to happen.

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but said each district had to have at least ONE BUILDING open, with enough space and staff to handle those children who had nowhere else to go.
What happens to the staff in that one building if they get infected by the children they care for? Do they import new staff? In my opinion to use healthy adults as cannon fodder for the C-19 virus is a lousy idea. Ain't going to work and a lot of people will die, one is too many.

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What happens to the staff in that one building if they get infected by the children they care for? Do they import new staff? In my opinion to use healthy adults as cannon fodder for the C-19 virus is a lousy idea. Ain't going to work and a lot of people will die, one is too many.

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I noticed our county dashboard shows the highest amount positive test results in the 20-59 age range. Their children will be going to daycare centers and attending school. Unfortunately there is a good chance staff will become infected. I imagine daycare centers will be opening and closing due to the virus.

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I both agree and disagree with your post because it is a much more complex issue than stated. What happens to those childcare people when they get C-19 transmitted by those children? The Childcare Center has to shut down and there goes that venue for childcare.

Some epidemiologists have stated that if the U.S. just shuts EVERYTHING down and EVERYONE stays home for 4 weeks, we would be well on our way to putting this pandemic behind us. I don't know if that is true, but i do know if we open schools and childcare centers up right now, things are going to get much worse.
Congress is expected to pass some extension of unemployment benefits as well as additional payments to everyone, so they can stay home and care for their children. That will be, "any day now." My daughter works for the State of California and she has to go into her empty office building because she is an essential employee. But her support staff have all been sent home at full pay for almost 6 months now. Doesn't even count toward their vacation accrual. They have been told to provide care for their family and homeschooling where necessary. This is a complete mess through lack of leadership at the White House.

I don't have the answers, but i am in favor of keeping schools and daycare centers closed at this time, which I think is a real shame this has to happen.

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I agree - but my point is that child care is lumped in with businesses - and the debate about schools opening is limited to actual schools, not childcare centers. So, childcare opens because the government decides that businesses can open (and so if they decide to stay closed they can't pay their staff, lose income, can't pay their rent and will likely have to close the business for good) - but the debate rages on about whether it's safe to open schools and have that many kids in a confined space. I agree that the debate needs to happen - but it should happen with both childcare centers AND schools in the same debate space - otherwise what you will end up with is what you have in many places right now - areas where they're considering keeping schools closed, but childcare has been open and will continue to be open, so it's likely that the kids who are not in school will still be in daycare.
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It has been 14 days since Momi got her Covid test at a big box pharmacy. Still no results. At this point it doesn't matter any more. And they think they can open schools with safeguards? She is fine, I am fine, and Ricky is fine. We are thankful. Time for an ice cold cerveza.

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You can buy a 20 - NK95 Mask from Amazon which is 5 layers for $45. There's a 5% discount coupon and if you use Amazon Wallet their abot $35. It fits snug and is very breathable. I've made masks and have, also, purchased regular surgical masks. Fortunately, we are retired and only use them for essential trips, so we have plenty and not an upkeep problem.

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I read a story about School Openings where they tried to cite studies, but there aren't any good studies about children getting COVID or passing it.

Everything that's written basically says:
  • 0-10 year old kids don't appear to get COVID easily and don't pass it
  • 10-19 year olds get COVID and pass it like adults
  • 20-30+ year olds - Highest number of infected COVID rate

Kids 0-10 years are for the most part at home, supervised by parents. So, studies don't really know anything about how COVID affects this age group. They are not out running around. Because they are for the most part isolated .... Kids and elementary teachers can probably safely have in-person school if the schools will reduce class size, allowing for social distancing, open rooms and open up windows. No Masks for kids ... because they are not going to wear them.

Kids ages 11-19 are out and about and are going to come into contact with the disease more than younger kids. However, this age group (especially boys) tend to play computer games and don't run around town partying and meeting up with friends as much as their parents did before computer games and social media. If schools could put this age group in Small Bubbles of 15 and have enough room space for social distancing...in person schools might work. Again, schools need to open windows and there needs to space.

THE PROBLEM WITH In- Person SCHOOLS: $$$$$$ ... For the most part ...Schools don't have enough money to safely open.

The 20-30+ year olds are the one who are the most exposed and most positive. Because they are out with groups of friends, having a good time and going to bars. They're bringing it home to parents, aunts, uncles and grandparents. COLLEGE KIDS are a disaster waiting to happen. Colleges should be Online Only.




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The 20-30+ year olds are the one who are the most exposed and most positive. Because they are out with groups of friends, having a good time and going to bars. They're bringing it home to parents, aunts, uncles and grandparents. [B]COLLEGE KIDS are a disaster waiting to happen. Colleges should be Online Only.
On the one hand, we're THRILLED that my niece is going to be attending a college in our town. We can't wait to see more of her. On the other hand, she's moving into her DORM a week from Monday. We're nervous for her (and us!) She will be wearing a mask if she ever comes into our home ...

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