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My first is a boy, and second a girl. Sassy became the boss of him from nearly the day we brought her home.
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Hi Askavi,

Thank you for taking the time to provide input. Have you had any marking issues with any of your Havs? How was potty training?
No marking ever....Scout was potty trained pretty much immediately. Truffles took about one year to potty train. It was our fault because we were not consistent with going outside every two hours in the beginning. Plus we had wee pads for her in the house. I think she got confused. Scout always whimpers or taps on the glass to be let out. Truffles will just sit next to the sliding door so I keep my eye on her. 😊 I always keep a wee pad out because she will use it if she is unable to go outside.
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There are as many opinions as households. Some research suggests there is less aggression occurs between opposite sexes ,followed by male/male and then female/female. Female/female aggression tended to be longer and more intense. But this is not by any means definitive. Pick a mate that is best of the litter if possible. If possible have them meet.
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There are as many opinions as households. Some research suggests there is less aggression occurs between opposite sexes ,followed by male/male and then female/female. Female/female aggression tended to be longer and more intense. But this is not by any means definitive. Pick a mate that is best of the litter if possible. If possible have them meet.
I don't know any breeders who are going to allow a strange dog into their home, and the older dog is unlikely to act normally in that environment anyway.
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I have a chocolate that just turned one. He was a very dark chocolate as a newborn and the breeder expected him to hold colour as his lines going back had done that. She also had kept in touch with buyers of previous litters from the same pairing and had found those pups to have held their colour. If you can find a breeder who has kept good info on your pups parents, grandparents etc. and the pups parents have had previous litters together that have held colour you up your odds of the colour holding. I am in western Canada and my breeder is no longer breeding that pairing so I cannot help you there. I have put up pictures of Hershey to let you see his colour development so far. He has lightened, but has stayed quite dark.
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some of our breeder trainers encourage it , outside the presence of the mother ,one at a time. This will familiarize the pup to the dog and will make it easier when you bring one of them home because they have already met . In most cases where problems arise ,it's the younger pup that initiate it.
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some of our breeder trainers encourage it , outside the presence of the mother ,one at a time. This will familiarize the pup to the dog and will make it easier when you bring one of them home because they have already met . In most cases where problems arise ,it's the younger pup that initiate it.
The big problem (besides how the mother and the adult dog feel about the whole thing) is that it is right at the pup's most vulnerable time for infection. Few breeders want to risk their entire litter allowing a strange dog into the house.

Fortunately, we have a breed that, in general, is pretty social. I really haven't heard of a well bred Havanese puppy, introduced into a household with other Havanese where there was a problem at the puppy stage. I haven't heard of anyone having a problem in a pet only home at all with dogs that come from good breeders and have been properly socialized. I've only heard of a serious problem with adult Havanese in the same household three times. Two of those times have been with intact dogs.

In one case an adult father and son, in the other case, two bitches. The father and sone were intermittent, and mostly a lot of yelling and carrying on. The bitches are totally serious. They have to be kept in opposite ends of the house. They try to kill each other. I've suggested that they re-home one of them. Unfortunately, one is the wife's favorite, the other is the husband's favorite. Makes for an interesting family dynamic.

The third case was one we know about on the forum, where one of the dogs was a rescue, (maybe both... I don't remember about the older one) and had shown herself to be pretty unbalanced from the very beginning. Problems just got worse as she got older.
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Hi Askavi,

Thank you for taking the time to provide input. Have you had any marking issues with any of your Havs? How was potty training?
Well, my two are still pretty young and I had Raffy neutered around 10 months old (I do worry this was too early). He doesn't seem to be interested in marking inside or out. As far as potty training, I used an ex-pen with pad system for Raffy, as well as keeping him gated in the "not carpet" area of my house where I spend most of my time. I felt that he was reliable enough to be allowed in the carpeted areas when he was about 5 months old. I added additional potty pads in other areas that we spent time. He wasn't a pad shredder, so this worked for us. At 1 1/2, he very rarely uses the indoor options available to him because he prefers to do his business outdoors. We had a little bit of a blip in reliability when the weather got bad this fall/winter, but after a couple of days of reinforcement of proper potty places, he was right back on track. With Sassy, I have done essentially the same thing, but use a potty tray because she's a pad shredder. She became reliable much faster than Raffy and was allowed past "the gate" by 14 weeks. She also prefers to go outside (the older dogs are doing it!) and has been using her potty tray less and less each day. I still keep a pretty close eye on her because she is so young.

I do have an older, spayed female cockapoo as well. She is the one really in charge, and Sassy doesn't seem to be inclined to challenge it too much so far. Funny enough, my cockapoo is FAR more tolerant of Sassy's puppy antics than she was of Raffy's.
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I have a chocolate that just turned one. He was a very dark chocolate as a newborn and the breeder expected him to hold colour as his lines going back had done that. She also had kept in touch with buyers of previous litters from the same pairing and had found those pups to have held their colour. If you can find a breeder who has kept good info on your pups parents, grandparents etc. and the pups parents have had previous litters together that have held colour you up your odds of the colour holding. I am in western Canada and my breeder is no longer breeding that pairing so I cannot help you there. I have put up pictures of Hershey to let you see his colour development so far. He has lightened, but has stayed quite dark.
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You are welcome. Hershey thanks you for your kind words. I hope you have a great time finding your first baby. Hershey is our second, we have an almost three year old Ollie. There is almost 2 years between them. It was a good choice to wait for our second, a puppy is a lot of work and it takes time to develop them into good dogs. Do that with the first before bringing crazy back into the house. We didn't want to wait much longer, because we wanted the older one to still be young enough to develop a fun relationship with the puppy. That has worked out really well, they have a lot of fun together. Initially the older one went through some adjustment and I think he would have been really happy to see Hershey go back from whence he came. We gave Ollie lots of attention so he didn't resent the little one, but there is definitely an adjustment period. Now they are just good buddies. I am glad I waited as long as I did.
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