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post #1 of 54 (permalink) Old 11-14-2010, 12:11 PM Thread Starter
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I am wondering if their is a way to find out about a breeder threw AKC

Maddie was sold to us with limited papers She was also listed as show potential . At the time I was interested in learning about showing her. I had no idea that limited AKC paper work also means they are limited to show. That disappoints me.
I have fishie feelings about the breeder. One is that their were two litters a week apart. One litter AKC the other not. can a breeder cheat and sell a none papered puppy as AKC to get more money.
Can I look up the history of the breeder somehow? to see how many litters they register? and what linkage they are.?
If we find they are a puppy mill and cheat can we do something about it?
If Maddie grows up to be show stander ed can I change her papers to full papers? The breeder said he would leave it open but rarely ever will do that.

Maddie at 5mo old
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Well, live and learn. The situation sounds very shady. You don't have a whole lot of recourse financially-especially if you signed a limited contract. If you are interested in having a dog for showing, the best thing you can do is to do your research and become prepared before you purchase another dog-and do not purchase another one from a mill/shady backyard breeder.

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Do you have the names of your puppies' parents? Their full names, so to speak? If you have those you may be able to look up some lineage, what does it say on your akc papers?

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Suzi, Rarely does a breeder know if a pup has show potential until they grow up a bit and that is how some very good breeders have an older pup for sale. Sometimes they limit the reg. because they don't want some one breeding. If you are a first time buyer wanting to show and have never done it with any dog, there are a few breeders who will give you a chance, but your contract may say that you have to show and earn their title before they will sign off and take their name off as part owner or you have to spay if intend to keep the dog. If you have a show contract and you do not put your dog in conformation classes and start going out they will ask for the dog back. Have you tried talking to the breeder? On a limited Reg. you can still do all the sports and fun things, just not conformation and you can't breed AKC puppies.

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Suzi, One more thing do you mean your dog is not AKC and maybe one of the others?

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It is very common and most reputable breeders sell their AKC registered (champion sired) puppies with limited registration. Usually, full registration comes with co-ownership until the puppy is a finished champion. Who did you get your puppy from?

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I got my puppy from Ludmila Wilson
Her sires name is Kingdom Hearts Roxas and the Dams name is Kingdom Hearts Monkey.
I really do not know any thing about showing. I thought it might be fun.
My question was if their is two litters and one litter is not AKC and the other is how does the AKC no if one of the puppys being papered might really be from the other litter. Like say the Litter that is not registered has some better looking puppies could they sluff them off as the AKC litter ?
My breeder bought a female somewhere at the Oregon coast that female supposedly had champion background I do not remember the name but was shown pictures. The wilsons thought they could get full papers and said they were still working on it. I do not know why they went ahead and breed her. We wanted a registered AKC pup. and maddie was the only cream and black out of the litter. I thought it was funny because the price of her was more than the rest because she was show potential . At least that is what they wrote in our contract.
All in all I love Maddie to pieces . I am worried about skin issues and would like to find out about her grandparents ect. I looked up offa.org to see if the wilsons had their Havanese health tested. I'm not sure I did it right.
We are going to start with a puppy class I have been training her to jump over little jumps that I made. She is a great jumper ! Maybe we will Join the circus

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Actually, being able to sell a puppy with a choice of Limited or Unlimited registration is the main benefit to the dogs that AKC offers. It's the one way that responsible breeders can almost make sure that dogs they produce will not end up in puppy mills. So many new breeders get into it and will sell a puppy whenever they get the chance regardless of Limited or not. We have sold about 5 puppies out of a couple of hundred over 12 years with Unlimited, and then only to close friends that we 100% trust what they are going to do with the dog. You will not find Starborn in any puppy mill pedigree unless it's there by fraud.

If we sold a puppy with Unlimited to someone we didn't know and they sold a puppy to someone who slipped through a good interview process, the numbers could very quickly grow in puppy mills with otherwise good kennel names on the pedigrees.

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I just went and looked on OFA's web site to see if any of their dogs were health tested, and not one showed up in the data base. That is very unfortunate, hopefully your little girl will stay healthy. I also went onto the gallery to see if I could find any linage for your girl, but again they do not have their dogs listed there either.

Is there a web site for your breeder?

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Here are some links to help educate yourself in how to fight for your rights to continue to own and love your animals. Please do not be mislead by PETA or HSUS who is PETA in suits.
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They sound like a scam to me - definitely BYB or something worse.

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