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Is that a picture of Tiger on your icon? If so, a 100% bichon NEVER will have any black hair....or grey either for that matter. On occasion, there might be some beige, but more often than not, it disappears as the dog ages. If your dog has any color, it is probably a Hav and not a bichon (or perhaps a mix of both). The reason his coat doesn't split and poofs instead is probably because it's so thick. As far as his weight, it's a bit bigger than the average bichon too. Did his breeder also breed and raise bichon frises? It wouldn't be impossible for an accident to happen that his daddy might be a bichon......but, if he's your pet and you love him, does it really matter anymore?
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OR he could be a curly coated hav!??

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1. Not all reputable breeders belong to HCA for a number of reasons, but I'd start there and, as one replied, not all HCA members are "perfect". For a good reason, I got my first Havanese over 8 years ago, but have only been an HCA member a little over a year.
2. minimum: BAER, CERF, patellas, hips and elbows.
3. Not unreasonable, however, I have a prospective new owner coming to meet the mother to be (and relatives) less than a week before whelping. I'm undecided if I want "foot germs" from who knows where in my house right before whelping ( what if they carry a "bad bug" that hits my dogs) or should we meet in the yard and I bring the dogs out to meet them. I don't take deposits before the pup is old enough to decide if that family is right for them.
I agree 12 weeks is ideal, but never before 10

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Forgot, if the avatar of the dog, wondering about curly coat is a Hav, is the one pictured, I'd say yes. I have a curly and have no doubts about her and she is a champion that finished her championship in a very few shows.

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Is that a picture of Tiger on your icon? If so, a 100% bichon NEVER will have any black hair....or grey either for that matter. On occasion, there might be some beige, but more often than not, it disappears as the dog ages. If your dog has any color, it is probably a Hav and not a bichon (or perhaps a mix of both). The reason his coat doesn't split and poofs instead is probably because it's so thick. As far as his weight, it's a bit bigger than the average bichon too. Did his breeder also breed and raise bichon frises? It wouldn't be impossible for an accident to happen that his daddy might be a bichon......but, if he's your pet and you love him, does it really matter anymore?
My understanding is she only breeds Havanese. Tigers mommy's named on his papers is still on her web site but his daddy is no longer on the site. Since I purchased tiger there hasn't been any response from the breeder on my questions. Ive given up on getting answers from her. I'm trying to avoiding this part of this subject cuz a few of the forum members have also purchased or they know of someone that has bought from this breeder and one member defends her extensively. But no one has stepped forward to assure me that they have been to this breeders place and that it is a reputable breeder. Anyway yes my profile pic is Tiger. He was about 2 in that picture. His papers say red sable. His curls are as tight as a spring. We call them boing boings. That's why the hair won't lay down . I just want to know his papers are legit. Can they be falsified? Some of the looks I have gotten are like I'm an idiot to believe akc papers are a guarantee of what you have in a breed.

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Here is a more recent pic of Tiger. This is how we have him groomed now. Otherwise he looks rediculus. A Huge Poof Ball! You can also see how he stands on his twisted leg too...again, our vet is not concerned, but it looks goofy.
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What about AKC DNA? If the father was a popular sire, the AKC would have required the sire's owner to have his DNA on file.... and you could at least prove that he is his father's son.

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Here is a more recent pic of Tiger. This is how we have him groomed now. Otherwise he looks rediculus. A Huge Poof Ball! You can also see how he stands on his twisted leg too...again, our vet is not concerned, but it looks goofy.
The crooked leg is something that, unfortunately, is still in a lot of Havanese lines, and the reason that a prospective puppy buyer should insist on soaps of both parents AND the puppy.

As far as his curly hair is concerned, that, too, is in a lot of Havanese lines. There is a DNA test for it, and breeders CAN breed away from it if they choose. But it is not outside the breed standard, so some breeders don't care if they produce curly puppies. In fact, I suspect these are the dogs that are most easily corded, and some breeders prefer that look. I've seen a few where even their EARS are tightly curled, and they have to be kept short too.

So I guess the bottom line is that neither of these issues say anything about him not being a purebred Havanese. He may not be the best quality from a conformation standpoint, but as long as he's still got that sweet Havanese temperament, you've got your self a great pet. ...and lots of people keep their Havs cut short, even if they aren't that curly.


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What about AKC DNA? If the father was a popular sire, the AKC would have required the sire's owner to have his DNA on file.... and you could at least prove that he is his father's son.
If this is the dog I'm remembering, The father isn't a "popular" sire. It was a person who had a male dog that she used to produce puppies within her own household.


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I think the AKC makes DNA mandatory at more than 7 litters in a lifetime, or more than 3 litters in any one year.... but if it was just somone using their own dog they may well not have qualified. Oh, well.

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