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wow, I don't think I've ever seen legs like that!! It's good that the vet is aware of it, I hope it doesn't cause any pain for your baby!

I think he DOES look like a hav (minus the crooked legs!) just with a curly coat!!

what ever he is he is adorable!!

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wow, I don't think I've ever seen legs like that!! It's good that the vet is aware of it, I hope it doesn't cause any pain for your baby!

I think he DOES look like a hav (minus the crooked legs!) just with a curly coat!!

what ever he is he is adorable!!
Unfortunately, there are a lot of crooked legs out there, Tammy.


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Tiger is as cute as he can be. What a sweet face.

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That is ABSOLUTELY true!!!


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Thank you everyone for your answers. I pulled Tiger's certificate and the sire has a DNA number and his grandfather (singular) has one too. He has 2 grandmothers but his mom and dad have the same father. Is that typical? I never noticed that.

Tiger did come from a breeder. I have never seen her web site without puppies for sale.

I also see under tigers dads pedigree name is gld prti=golden parti color? But his mothers reads blk irsh pied=? What does that mean? Tigers reads rd sbl prti=red sable parti, Right?

Now Beau's breeder is a very careful breeder. I met her and have gone to local shows watching her show Beau's mom. She didn't bread her until she had earned her points? I fell in love with his mom Sadie. Beautiful silky black coat. When you pet her head she smiles. I told Tammy the breeder that I had to have one of Sadie's puppies when she bred her. It took over a year before she earned all her point and had puppies. But it was worth the wait. And Beau smiles just like his mommy. It's a reflex caused by the petting around his jaw and ears. But it looks just like they are smiling and/or imitating Elvis. Lol

Again thank you for the assurance that my tiger is a normal, but a rare or unusual Hav. Lol

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wow, I don't think I've ever seen legs like that!! It's good that the vet is aware of it, I hope it doesn't cause any pain for your baby!

I think he DOES look like a hav (minus the crooked legs!) just with a curly coat!!

what ever he is he is adorable!!
The vet has assured me that Tiger is not in pain. The leg doesn't slow him down one bit. The groomers try to camouflage it but it only lasts a short while tho. The vet says he thinks Tiger did something when he was a young puppy and damaged his growth plate which has caused the leg to twist or be crooked. Looks goofy tho. Thanks

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Thank you everyone for your answers. I pulled Tiger's certificate and the sire has a DNA number and his grandfather (singular) has one too. He has 2 grandmothers but his mom and dad have the same father. Is that typical? I never noticed that.

Tiger did come from a breeder. I have never seen her web site without puppies for sale.

I also see under tigers dads pedigree name is gld prti=golden parti color? But his mothers reads blk irsh pied=? What does that mean? Tigers reads rd sbl prti=red sable parti, Right?

Now Beau's breeder is a very careful breeder. I met her and have gone to local shows watching her show Beau's mom. She didn't bread her until she had earned her points? I fell in love with his mom Sadie. Beautiful silky black coat. When you pet her head she smiles. I told Tammy the breeder that I had to have one of Sadie's puppies when she bred her. It took over a year before she earned all her point and had puppies. But it was worth the wait. And Beau smiles just like his mommy. It's a reflex caused by the petting around his jaw and ears. But it looks just like they are smiling and/or imitating Elvis. Lol

Again thank you for the assurance that my tiger is a normal, but a rare or unusual Hav. Lol
It isn't unheard of for both parents to have the same sire. It shouldn't be done without good reason, but sometimes a breeder does it when trying to set a particular characteristic.

You've got the gold sable parti and red sable parti right. Black Irish Pied is a mostly black dog with white feet and tail tip, a with chest and a full or partial white collar. They also often have some white ont heir faces. Thinl of th color pattern you see on a Border Collie... That's Irish Pied.


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It isn't unheard of for both parents to have the same sire. It shouldn't be done without good reason, but sometimes a breeder does it when trying to set a particular characteristic.

You've got the gold sable parti and red sable parti right. Black Irish Pied is a mostly black dog with white feet and tail tip, a with chest and a full or partial white collar. They also often have some white ont heir faces. Thinl of th color pattern you see on a Border Collie... That's Irish Pied.
That's interesting. Her coloring to me doesn't match that. I tried to add a pic of her but since I am using my iPad I can't upload pics for some reason. Not sure why. But to me zoey looks like tiger did when he was pre-one year old. I wish I could have figured the pic thing out tho so you could see what I am talking about. Thanks anyway!

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It isn't unheard of for both parents to have the same sire. It shouldn't be done without good reason, but sometimes a breeder does it when trying to set a particular characteristic.

You've got the gold sable parti and red sable parti right. Black Irish Pied is a mostly black dog with white feet and tail tip, a with chest and a full or partial white collar. They also often have some white ont heir faces. Thinl of th color pattern you see on a Border Collie... That's Irish Pied.
Oh Border collie. You mean it looks like they are wearing a shrug? A short sweater? Tiger has that. He looks like he is wearing a very short white sweater. Lol.

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Again thank you for all your input...I should have gone out and found a previous discussion from a year ago. There was a previous discussion that started in 2010 by a new Hav owner that had similar questions and concerns as I do or did. After reading that discussion more closely. I don't think Tigers parents on the certificate are the ones I was told from the breeders web site. The dog on the web site is not blk irsh pied. I do believe my Tiger is pure but just not quality of the breed. I didn't buy him to breed or show. I got him cuz I fell in love with the breed. Really wanted one that I could carry around like a toy but I didn't get that. And even Beau weighs close to 15 lbs but I think that's partly cuz all of his hair. Lol. I luv my Havs. 2 is all my husband will allow but if I ever had to get another dog again. It will be a Hav. And I now know what to watch for and ask. Lessons learn! Thanks!

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