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Question Breeder's House Smells of Urine

We have been searching for a good, reputable Havanese breeder in our general region of the country, and we're just not sure of what to make of one that we've met.

Are the total number of adult Havanese and puppies in a breeder's home and the general level of cleanliness in the breeder's home strong indicators of how good and reputable the breeder is? Should we be concerned about how well puppies are socialized under such circumstances and how accustomed a pup may get to such conditions?

This breeder has many dogs. The portions of the house seen (where the dogs frequented) were not very clean (IMO) and overall, the house smelled of urine (& dogs). On the other hand, this breeder's dogs are current and retired show dogs (most of which are champions). The breeder does all recommended health testing, and the test results are documented on OFA. The breeder is a member of the HCA, the AKC and an AKC breeder of merit. The breeder seems knowledgeable of the breed and generally respected by others in the dog breeding community.

Would any of you be able to weigh in on this? Please!
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This would turn me off, absolutely. I think the dogs would be accustomed to urine in the house and be harder to housebreak. It's hard enough to housetrain them in the first place. I'd also question the breeders sense of wellbeing for the dogs, if the house smells and appears unclean.

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I agree with Sheri.
I have only been to 3 breeders homes and NONE of them smelled at all. Havs shouldn't have a smell to begin with! they had between 3 and 8 adult dogs and several puppies at the time I was visiting... so, I do not think there is any excuse for keeping dogs in a smelly, dirty enviroment. I would never get a pup from such an environment. BUT that is just me. It depends on how YOU felt with the environment AND the breeder...

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I can only tell you that at my breeder's home, even though there are quite a few adult dogs plus Kodi and his litter mates, there was absolutely no doggy nor urine smell.

I think that level of uncleanliness would have been off-putting to me.


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I agree w/ all 3 of you! Thanks so much for responding. I guess we are trying to give the breeder the benefit of the doubt because of documented "credentials." She does everything that a "reputable" breeder is expected to do. And, then I rationalize by thinking that I have a very sensitive sense of smell and am quite a clean freak in general. But, my gut feeling is that I am a bit uneasy w/ this breeder.
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I agree with everybody else above. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable buying from somebody whose house was not kept at a decent level of cleanliness. Puppies at so young of an age that they are ready to be sold should be kept in a confined, x-pen sort of area that is easily cleaned (and let out occasionally of course but under total supervision, and cleaned up after), and adult dogs should certainly be house trained to not go in the house (and if they do go, it should be cleaned up immediately). If they are letting their weeks-old puppies run loose, or if they don't care enough about their older dogs to train them, clean up after them, and bathe them, well, I would doubt their ability to adequately care for any dog. Just my 2 cents...
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P.s. - health testing a dog takes only what, a couple of hours a year to accomplish? And they may have paid somebody to train their dogs to championships. Actually taking CARE of any dog, let alone a Havanese (or a bunch of them!) takes a LOT of time, as anybody here will tell you. Did you meet any of the dogs? What impression did you get from the dogs themselves? Were the adult dogs friendly? Groomed? Happy but trained? Were the puppies cautious but still curious and outgoing? I guess that would probably be my bottom line, given what you said above...
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We did meet sire & dam and would have opportunity to visit and interact w/ puppies in several more weeks once they are older. Breeder is very welcoming & accommodating. We're just not sure it would be worth our time, effort & gas money to make another trip.
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I was told that male's will mark when a female is in heat. Maybe one of their males went in some corner somewhere and the breeder has a bad nose.

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I would think it would be hard to judge without seeing it for ourselves. What some people consider perfectly acceptable, no doubt would not be to others and vice versa. If you are uncomfortable with the situation you observed, then it would probably be wise to look elsewhere. However, if you are totally satisfied with every other aspect of the situation – if you think her dogs are being well cared for and socialized, if they are clean and appear healthy, the fact that you would be able to visit again, the breeder is well regarded and knowledgeable, health tests, shows, etc – I would certainly give her the benefit of the doubt, especially after just one visit, unless the cleanliness issue is just totally unacceptable or unhealthy. Is she open to contact and available for questions after the puppy goes home? Do you know anyone else who has gotten a puppy from her that you could talk with? Is it possible the weather had been rainy and the older dogs messed up the floors going in and out? What is her flooring like? Possibly, as Suzi mentioned, her sense of smell isn’t very good? I know mine isn't as good as when I was younger. We have carpeting and I also have missed spots where 'someone' peed on it and I discovered it later. I think you just need to go with your gut.

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