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Thought that the breeders would like this "old" but I'm told "good " article on breeding. Gail Fisher sent me this article that she remembered from years ago about Lloyd Brackett and the GSD's that he pioneered in the country. I was looking for info ,because my grandfather was one of the first to get a GSD in NorthAmerica, and I've been trying to find out more on this history. My grandfather is long gone, and the only records of this dog were word of mouth.from my mom ,dad and cousins. Boy has this breed changed from the pictures I remember. Also trying to find these pics. as they disappeared over the years. GEEZE
http://www.nylana.org/RRACI/brackett.htm

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Oh yeah, when I read this article ,I realize, that you have to almost be a "rocket scientist" to get into this profession. It certainly shouldn't be for the faint of heart or for those unwilling to learn most of this stuff, BEFORE they "tie" a couple of dogs together.

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Thanks for sharing this.

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Great article. If only more breeders followed it. Few do. Not rocket science at all, but if you saw our Schedule C for the dog "business", you wouldn't call it a "profession" either.
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Great article. If only more breeders followed it. Few do. Not rocket science at all, but if you saw our Schedule C for the dog "business", you wouldn't call it a "profession" either.
LOL Tom, Uncle Sam making it difficult for ya.?

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No, not Uncle Sam. There is just little to no profit in it, so the IRS gets very little. The word "profession" to me, implies that one is making a living, which requires a business to be profitable.
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No, not Uncle Sam. There is just little to no profit in it, so the IRS gets very little. The word "profession" to me, implies that one is making a living, which requires a business to be profitable.
I think it's time to raise the prices .

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Yeah, I figured a while back that if it was a real business, as in comparing it to other businesses that Pam could do, including less time than she actually puts into the dogs, that we would need to get $5500 per puppy.

Even in the article you posted, Brackett said he almost had to close his kennel, because the hobby was taking too much time away from whatever business he was in.

The only way to make money is the way puppy mills do it, and we have no inclination at all to increase numbers beyond what we are doing now. $2,000 per puppy sounds like a lucrative business, but figure a total of 15 puppies a year, and then take expenses out. An IRS Schedule C is a profit and loss statement for a business. Last year, we showed a profit of $658 on the dog business Schedule C, and we put zero dollars in advertising or professional handlers.

The article was great. I guess the person who posted last week that she was "freaked out" by my statement about linebreeding on our website hadn't read it.

It was written by a breeder who was big in it back in the '30s and '40s. Today we have many benefits from genetic research, health tests, genetic tests, and computers to help calculate it all out, but everything he said still applies, and needs to be understood just as a start.

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Thanks Tom for your perspective. It sounds right with what I've heard from responsible breeders. We need more people breeding like you and we hope you don't raise the price that high and take advantage of some of these poor people with MHS.

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Great article!!!


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