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post #1 of 58 (permalink) Old 10-04-2007, 09:19 PM Thread Starter
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I'm not quite sure what to say in this post, so I'm going to talk to you from my heart and hopefully the pieces of what I'm trying to say will fall together.
I think we breeders are failing the public and that makes me sad. If we were helping you, you'd know what to ask breeders about their puppies and you'd be able to make informed decisions that will affect your life for the next very many years, we hope.
Puppies are so very easy to fall in love with whether in person or in pictures but do we let our heart rule us or do we take a step back and take our hearts out of it for the moment?
What do you ask a breeder? Here are some of the things I can think of off the top of my head.
What health testing has been done on the parents?
What are the names of the sire and dam so that I can go to offa.org and look up the results myself?
How are the puppies raised?
Are there any known health issues in your dogs?
Do you stand behind your dogs and if so, what is your policy?
If there is a genetic problem with the puppy, what do you do?
If for some reason I can't keep the dog, what do you do?

And what should you expect from a breeder? Here are my requirements:
Soaped pictures of the sire and dam
Soaped pictures of the puppy
A good and honest relationship
One who is willing to help you at any hour of the day
One who wants to see that puppy as it grows whether in person or pictures
The websites to the sire and dam's offa.org pages.
There are times health tests aren't posted yet so expect the breeder to show you the paperwork and feel free to ask why it isn't in the database yet.
I'm in too much pain to keep typing so other breeders on the list please feel free to jump in with what you think we can do to better educate.

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I disagree with you Jan. I think the good breeders like yourself are doing a great job at getting the information out there to puppy buyers and making them aware of problems etc. I think the breed is getting so popular that bad unethical breeders are coming out of the wood work and this confuses puppy buyers. They come up with every excuse why they don't health test, or have pictures, and so on. Breeders like you deserve a medal! Keep up the good work!





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Jan,

thank you for giving examples of questions to ask. I just got lucky with Sissy because I had researched the breed but did not ask a lot of those questions.

My breeder was really good - she guarantees Sissy's health for 3 years - which I thought was really good. She took the time to talk to me about CERF testing. (she didn't talk to me about CD) which I have not seen any problems at this time.

So maybe by you listing these questions - even if one person reads this
and asks the right questions - they will have very good results.

I was a very uneducated buyer - really all I knew to ask was
Is she healthy? Any problems with parents? History of breed illnesses?

Keep up the good work - Havanese fur babies need breeders like you!


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Jan,
I think it is a great idea to list these sort of things on our forum and educate anyone thinking of getting a havanese right off the get go! Unfortunately, I think there may be people who don't listen to a great breeder your like yourself about health testing and researching, they are just going to get what they think is the "best deal" or even go to a pet store to buy the cute puppy.

I went to a pet store near my house thinking it was just an upscale dog boutique- they did have some adorable outfits but then I quickly realized they sold dogs. There weren't any havanese there but in my area pocket dogs are popular- the smaller the more money. They had a maltese saying "guaranteed to be under 5lbs" for $3,000! Let's just say they are doing very well at that store. It is so sad I just had to get out of there. Then as Leslie did the other day, you do a search and realize how many people got sick puppies, etc. It is crazy that people just go for instant gratification and if they just googled the name of the pet store where they are likely buying their best friend for the next 15 years, they would realize how horrible this place is! I think the best thing we can do for friends and family is spread the word on how important research is especially for your best friend's sake!

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I agree with Linda. I find the breeders on this site ( and others) go beyond my expectations. I expect a breeder to do all that he can to produce a healthy puppy. I hope a breeder can try to match a puppies temperament to my needs. I would like a breeder to be able to answer questions within a day or 2, but I do not expect a 24 hour service.

If things go wrong, I would hope that my breeder would handle it on a case by case situation--depending upon what was wrong and what it would take to fix it.

Jan, I wonder why you are in so much pain. I know that you do all of above and more for your puppies. Who let you down?
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I disagree with you Jan. I think the good breeders like yourself are doing a great job at getting the information out there to puppy buyers and making them aware of problems etc. I think the breed is getting so popular that bad unethical breeders are coming out of the wood work and this confuses puppy buyers. They come up with every excuse why they don't health test, or have pictures, and so on. Breeders like you deserve a medal! Keep up the good work!
I wish I could agree with you. We, no, change that to me since I can only speak for myself, am failing at letting people know what to ask for. I'm trying to make up for that with this post.

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Jan, I'm not sure what exactly happened for you to say that, but you seem like an ethical breeder to me and I would be more than happy to have one of your puppies. I would buy one from you in full confidence, with those questions that you listed ready to get answered and I'm sure you'd have all the answers.


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Jan, I have looked at your website before and I have always thought that the website is very informative.

Don't be so hard on yourself. I know when you have the love for this breed and you see others who are careless it makes you very sad.

Just keep being informative and hopefully the good will prevail.


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I agree with Linda. I find the breeders on this site ( and others) go beyond my expectations. I expect a breeder to do all that he can to produce a healthy puppy. I hope a breeder can try to match a puppies temperament to my needs. I would like a breeder to be able to answer questions within a day or 2, but I do not expect a 24 hour service.

If things go wrong, I would hope that my breeder would handle it on a case by case situation--depending upon what was wrong and what it would take to fix it.

Jan, I wonder why you are in so much pain. I know that you do all of above and more for your puppies. Who let you down?
I let me down Cheryl and that bothers me. I'm going to skip the details because they aren't important. If I was doing my job I would have made this post a lot sooner than I did.
Other than that, my back is screaming at me...but that's ok, I know how to scream back at it

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Jan, thank for for speaking from your heart. I think everyone on the forum thanks you for that, and for the info you have put out there. The problem is that most people go to "look" for a puppy and end up at a pet store. People want instant gratification. They don't want to wait months and months for a pup. They don't care who the breeder is, or haven't been educated enough to care.

So, that is what is needed - more education...about good breeders, staying away from pet stores, etc.

Thank goodness there are good breeders out there, like you.


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