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I am currently living in Virginia Beach, VA and having a very hard time finding a Havanese puppy. I found a few Havana Silk breeders & from what I am learning there is a difference? Are there any Havanese Breeders in Virginia Beach?

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Hi,

I am currently living in Virginia Beach, VA and having a very hard time finding a Havanese puppy. I found a few Havana Silk breeders & from what I am learning there is a difference? Are there any Havanese Breeders in Virginia Beach?

Thank you,
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As of summer before last, Havana Silks could no longer also be registered as Havanese. There are certainly some lines that are almost exactly the same that have dogs that are "Havanese" and dogs that are "Havana Silk". My Kodi happened to be born during the time that puppies were being registered both ways, so he is double registered as a Havanese with AKC and as a Havana Silk with HSDAA.

Havana Silks are very nice dogs, and my preferred "type". But I would not be willing to pay that much for a dog that I couldn't register with AKC. You need to decide whether that is important to you or not. The GOOD thing is that Havana Silk Dog owners are pretty religious about health testing. (that's why they originally broke off from Havanese) There are LOTS of GOOD Havanese breeders (including those that breed for the same "type" as the HSG breeders) who ALSO do all the proper testing, but, unfortunately, you have to be careful, and weed through a bunch of puppy mill sources and back yard breeders to find them.

There are quite a few good Havanese breeders in your area, so if that's what you want, you can certainly find a puppy, though you will find that many of the best breeders have waiting lists. I'm sure other people will chime in with breeders' names. My dog's breeders, Pam and Tom King (Starborn Havanese) are wonderful, but they do not currently have puppies available, and they have a waiting list. You may want to contact Pam anyway, though. She knows most of the breeders in that area, and may be able to give you some leads.
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I am currently living in Virginia Beach, VA and having a very hard time finding a Havanese puppy. I found a few Havana Silk breeders & from what I am learning there is a difference? Are there any Havanese Breeders in Virginia Beach?

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Hi Anita,

I don't know about silks, but "By The Bay Havanese" is in Va Beach. They don't answer emails so you might want to call. Google their website. I think they have one female they breed that's a Starborn Havanese. They might have others. It's been awhile since I've visited their webpage.
In the meantime, there's a tremendous amount of helpful information about the havanese breed on this forum. I'm spending my spare time reading and doing my homework while waiting on a havanese list.

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Hi Anita,

I don't know about silks, but "By The Bay Havanese" is in Va Beach. They don't answer emails so you might want to call. Google their website. I think they have one female they breed that's a Starborn Havanese. They might have others. It's been awhile since I've visited their webpage.
In the meantime, there's a tremendous amount of helpful information about the havanese breed on this forum. I'm spending my spare time reading and doing my homework while waiting on a havanese list.

Good luck!
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I'm pretty sure they've gone the Havana Silk Dog route. (which is not to say they aren't nice dogs!)
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Thanks Karen. Good to know.
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Hi Anita,

I don't know about silks, but "By The Bay Havanese" is in Va Beach. They don't answer emails so you might want to call. Google their website. I think they have one female they breed that's a Starborn Havanese. They might have others. It's been awhile since I've visited their webpage.
In the meantime, there's a tremendous amount of helpful information about the havanese breed on this forum. I'm spending my spare time reading and doing my homework while waiting on a havanese list.

Good luck!
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The breeder you mentioned, Ann Carille, is now known as "Havana Silk Dogs By The Bay". I believe she is an officer or on the board of the Havana Silk Dog organization.
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As of summer before last, Havana Silks could no longer also be registered as Havanese. There are certainly some lines that are almost exactly the same that have dogs that are "Havanese" and dogs that are "Havana Silk". My Kodi happened to be born during the time that puppies were being registered both ways, so he is double registered as a Havanese with AKC and as a Havana Silk with HSDAA.

Havana Silks are very nice dogs, and my preferred "type". But I would not be willing to pay that much for a dog that I couldn't register with AKC. You need to decide whether that is important to you or not. The GOOD thing is that Havana Silk Dog owners are pretty religious about health testing. (that's why they originally broke off from Havanese) There are LOTS of GOOD Havanese breeders (including those that breed for the same "type" as the HSG breeders) who ALSO do all the proper testing, but, unfortunately, you have to be careful, and weed through a bunch of puppy mill sources and back yard breeders to find them.

There are quite a few good Havanese breeders in your area, so if that's what you want, you can certainly find a puppy, though you will find that many of the best breeders have waiting lists. I'm sure other people will chime in with breeders' names. My dog's breeders, Pam and Tom King (Starborn Havanese) are wonderful, but they do not currently have puppies available, and they have a waiting list. You may want to contact Pam anyway, though. She knows most of the breeders in that area, and may be able to give you some leads.
I scond the recommendation to contact Pam King of Starboarn Havanese. My Maccabee is one of their pups.

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I am currently living in Virginia Beach, VA and having a very hard time finding a Havanese puppy. I found a few Havana Silk breeders & from what I am learning there is a difference? Are there any Havanese Breeders in Virginia Beach?

Thank you,
Anita
They are the same only breed to have more of what the club thinks is better. I think they kicked themselves by separating IMA. Its a more controlled group as far as having certain criteria. So really you know you are getting a very nice well bread dog. But you can find the same dog wit h breeders who really care about embittering the breed.

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My Maccabee is genetically a Havana Silk Dog, but his breeder chose to register him as a Havanese. I think both his parents are dual-registered as both Havanese and Havana Silk Dogs.

Tom, is this correct? Karen, you may also know the answer. Maccabee's parents are Frolic and Posh.

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My Maccabee is genetically a Havana Silk Dog, but his breeder chose to register him as a Havanese. I think both his parents are dual-registered as both Havanese and Havana Silk Dogs.

Tom, is this correct? Karen, you may also know the answer. Maccabee's parents are Frolic and Posh.
Yes. Same with Kodi's parents, Posh and Razzle. They were all "foundation stock" Havana Silk Dogs. (and also AKC registered Havanese) The only difference between Kodi being registered as a Havana Silk Dog (as well as Havanese) and Maccabee being registered "just" as a Havanese are their birth dates. By the time Maccabee was born, the HSDAA had voted that you could ONLY register as Havana Silk Dogs if you wanted to register with that group. The Kings chose to continue to register their dogs as Havanese. But they are EXACTLY the same dogs.
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